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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 15/06/2011, 05:15:21 UTC
Underpayments on the long blocks will be made up retroactively regardless of whether a miner has continued on the pool or not.

Then how does this punish pool hoppers?  It just delays their payout, but does not diminish it?
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 14/06/2011, 00:10:27 UTC
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What happens when you miss a round?  Can your "value" limit ever catch up to your actual share balance or did the pool just permanently screw you out of your prior contributions that were above your value limit?
This does explain your confusion a bit. At no time are either "value" or "earnings" reset. They both continue to accumulate. If you miss a round, you just pick up where you left off whenever you want.
But they don't accumulate at the same rate, it depends on the length of the round right?  Show up late to a long round or miss it entirely and it could take a long time to "even out" again.
You're describing pool hopping in a roundabout way. Preventing it from earning more is the whole point.

Yes, but the penalty spans rounds, whereas you can assign a penalty for a single round by decaying early shares as the round progresses.  People have outages and various other legitimate reasons for downtime that could cause their prior honest work on short rounds to be unfairly discounted.

The end result is that the potential downside to honest miners is much greater with your system than with one like Slush's.  In his system the potential downside only extends until the end of the round.
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 13/06/2011, 23:50:50 UTC
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What happens when you miss a round?  Can your "value" limit ever catch up to your actual share balance or did the pool just permanently screw you out of your prior contributions that were above your value limit?
This does explain your confusion a bit. At no time are either "value" or "earnings" reset. They both continue to accumulate. If you miss a round, you just pick up where you left off whenever you want.

But they don't accumulate at the same rate, it depends on the length of the round right?  Show up late to a long round or miss it entirely and it could take a long time to "even out" again.
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 13/06/2011, 23:43:02 UTC

Wow, nyargh is stupid and snarky.  Hilarious combination.

Protip: The only way to get and keep 100% of your earnings is to solo mine.  People that mine in pools accept a certain tradeoff.  Luke-Jr's implementation is better than most, on average, if you actually did do the math. Smiley

I like people that pick only a few words of information and preach it ad nausea while declaring themselves the most clever.  They're fun.


I've read many of your posts and you are without a doubt a fucking retard.  Let me try this again, should be very simple even for someone like you:

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The basic idea is to add a "value" balance counter that goes up by a fixed amount with each share your miner submits. This balance goes up by 50 / difficulty for each accepted share your miner submits to the server.
This "value" balance is then used as an upper limit for payments.

What happens when you miss a round?  Can your "value" limit ever catch up to your actual share balance or did the pool just permanently screw you out of your prior contributions that were above your value limit?

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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 13/06/2011, 23:36:03 UTC
No, the only way to get 100% of your earnings is to mine for infinity.
I missed your point... what was the problem with this?
If you miss a round or stop mining, you will never receive your past earnings.  Basically for this to be "fair" you have to mine non-stop forever.
Perhaps my mistake was using English words for technical details...

Keep it classy, Luke.  You have just developed a great way to rip off your contributors who are bad at math.  If your reward is always 'carried forward', you will never be paid in full.  How is this a hard concept to grasp?
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 13/06/2011, 23:19:17 UTC
No, the only way to get 100% of your earnings is to mine for infinity.

I missed your point... what was the problem with this?

If you miss a round or stop mining, you will never receive your past earnings.  Basically for this to be "fair" you have to mine non-stop forever.
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~250 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 13/06/2011, 21:54:07 UTC
Does this mean that the only way to fully drain 100% of your mining earnings from the pool is if the pool encounters a string of long blocks, forcing the pool to pay out your 'banked' earnings?


No, the only way to get 100% of your earnings is to mine for infinity.  The only way for this system to be fair is to decay old shares in a single round like Slush's pool attempts to do, otherwise you will never get your fair payout as there will always be something held over.
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" (~130 GH/s)
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nyargh
on 03/06/2011, 20:41:32 UTC
US server is down again...
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Re: 5830 @ 312 Mhash/s
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nyargh
on 03/06/2011, 19:20:05 UTC
Personal best on this 5830 is stable at
320 Mhash/s
still 2.1 SDK
phoenix+poclbm
1025/320
90%

Still need to play with phatk, overvolt, flexible proxy miner, etc.  Fun little toy project Smiley  Card will in theory try to go up to 1200 GPU core, so I'd imagine I might in theory be able to get up to what... 350?  I don't think I can do that with stock cooler and volts though.

How are you OCing the core above 875 in linux?  aticonfig is limited for me.
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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 03/06/2011, 19:18:08 UTC
I cannot reproduce this bug.

That's fine, there are other miners.
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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 21:40:03 UTC
Are you sure you're using the absolute newest version of my miner? mtrlt's 0.5% speed increase accidentally had a bug that would cause similar behavior to half of shares missing. I fixed it shortly afterwards.

A dead giveaway of the bug is using -dd and seeing a ton of hardware check errors.

Interesting, last one I pulled down was yesterday.  I'll try that flag and see if hw errors pop - I assumed that they would show up by default.
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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 20:59:21 UTC
it's a single 6870 from sapphire, using sdk 2.4, ubuntu 11.04 (I like unity, even though it might put some load on my gpu) and apt says my driver is "fglrx 2:8.840-0ubuntu4".
No manual over/underclocking.

Hmmm... I have a different setup, 2x sapphire 5830s, 2.4 SDK, 11.5 driver, debian squeeze.  My cards are overclocked to the default bios max (875 mhz).  This may be a more serious bug if it's affecting two very different setups.  The only common thread here is the SDK and the platform (kinda).
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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 20:11:26 UTC
* sometimes not submit/recognize a share even if it is valid.

This is what I would suspect, but who knows?  I am convinced that there is a bug in DiabloMiner.  What is your setup?  card / driver / sdk / os?
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Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!**
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 19:58:03 UTC
Thanks!

Using: -k phatk DEVICE=0 VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP=false WORKSIZE=256 AGGRESSION=13 on a single 5830 and get 312MH/sec
 Grin

What driver / os / sdk?
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius"
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 19:50:49 UTC
Now my shares don't seem to be showing up at all?  Huh

16xwypiCcnwJCFyFThhomXWy6A9uWWn4L4 is me


Back to slush...


This seems to be an issue with DiabloMiner, the hash rate reported in the pool stats is where it should be now using phoenix/phatk. 

In case anyone else might run into this I was using the latest DiabloMiner with dual 5830 cards on a Debian system running the 11.5 driver and 2.4 SDK.

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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 19:47:29 UTC
After testing various parameters, I found a way to get 2mhash/s more out of diablo compared to phatk. Great! Grin

However, for the last 5 hours, deepbit never calculated a hashrate for me that was even close to the 270mhash/s shown by diablo. It was mostly ~150mhash/s, sometimes as "high" as 200mhash/s. (Using a 45 min average) (also, 1.65% stale shares - might be caused by deepbit though, not sure if long polling works 100% again)

Is it possible that certain parameters cause diablo to display a much higher hashrate than actually achieved (for example because some of the calculations fail silently), or is this just very bad luck?

I am seeing this same effect on other pools.  I am also wondering if Diablo's hashrate calculations are wrong.

Nope, my hashrate is 100% correct. The problem is, OTHER miners do NOT look for OpenCL execution errors and happily count the hashes on a failed run.

If your Intenret is lagging badly, all miners, not just mine, will have strange hashrate drops because its blocking on share submission.

If you think there is actually a problem, compare vs a local running bitcoind.... if it STILL has large variations in hashrate, then there is an issue.

In addition to that, less than -f 15 often causes the OS clock to get jerky up to the point that the 15 second average (the first number) becomes very unreliable. In these situations, use the forever average only (the second number)... it usually becomes reliable within a minute or two.

Other miners suffer from this, but try various ways of covering it up; none are as accurate as using the forever average on mine over long periods.

I am seeing nearly double the found hashes with phoenix/phatk.  None of them are being rejected by the pool.  The hashrate being reported by the miners is nearly identical. 

If the pool allocates shares based on submitted POWs and doesn't reject them, wouldn't I want the miner that submits more POWs over a given time period?
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Re: Official DiabloMiner GPU Miner Thread (now with Long Poll and BFI_INT support)
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 18:20:04 UTC
After testing various parameters, I found a way to get 2mhash/s more out of diablo compared to phatk. Great! Grin

However, for the last 5 hours, deepbit never calculated a hashrate for me that was even close to the 270mhash/s shown by diablo. It was mostly ~150mhash/s, sometimes as "high" as 200mhash/s. (Using a 45 min average) (also, 1.65% stale shares - might be caused by deepbit though, not sure if long polling works 100% again)

Is it possible that certain parameters cause diablo to display a much higher hashrate than actually achieved (for example because some of the calculations fail silently), or is this just very bad luck?

I am seeing this same effect on other pools.  I am also wondering if Diablo's hashrate calculations are wrong.
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius"
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 15:48:32 UTC
The estimate isn't per 24 hours, it's per-block; right now, Europe should find a block on average every 21 hours, which works out to 0.41 BTC every 24. You should see your estimate creep up (possibly slowly) toward the point where it reaches the full .56 BTC per 24 hours (which would be .49 BTC per 21).

sorry to keep bringing up the same topic again, I just want to make sure I understand what's going on.

it's now exactly 72 hours of nonstop 240mh/s going to the eu-eligius pool. hashrate shows up in the pool statistics just fine, with the expected variations but pretty close on average.

now my total earnings for these 3 days are 0.8 BTC, whereas the calculator estimates 1.68 for this time.

Is this just bad luck with the pool? would switching to a larger pool (us eligius or one of the other bigger ones) help me getting (much) closer to the estimated rewards? less than half is kinda depressing Wink

I'm seeing the same issue.  I think there is something wrong with the pool...
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius"
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 05:18:53 UTC
Now my shares don't seem to be showing up at all?  Huh

16xwypiCcnwJCFyFThhomXWy6A9uWWn4L4 is me


Back to slush...
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Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius"
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nyargh
on 02/06/2011, 04:04:22 UTC
I've had 220 or so going to eligius for a few days. 2 hr average hashrate hovers pretty close to 220, with dips and spikes of varying degrees.

What miner are you using?