What's the point of using a third party for LN deposits? Isn't it against the philosophy of LN and even Bitcoin?

For heatmaps there is also https://www.tensorcharts.com/

By "common chip sizes", I mean they're common to CM (ChipMixer). For Non-CM transactions, chip sizes are not common at all. That's why what they say in their FAQ won't work. CM actually realizes this in their FAQ too by saying "After a while [chip sizes] will get more common", but it's unlikely to get common because the chip sizes are not round numbers.

For non-CM transactions with CM chip sizes to become common (the scenerio in their FAQ), other services/people need to use CM-sized chips without using CM. So CM maybe assumes people themselves split coins in their own wallets to CM chip sizes (That's how I understan what they mean in FAQ)

I'm not aware of CM-specific examples, but it's common for many mixers and exchanges,

BTW, I agree Wasabi creates a more obvious TX, but what I've been trying to prove is CM usage is also clear, even though less obvious at first glance. I wanted to warn users that they should treat CM coins dirty by default (like all mixers)

Thanks for replying. 

Hello,

What is the max bet limit?

Not only the output amount. How ChipMixer creates the chips follows certain patterns, you need to emulate the patterns too. Just splitting your coins into ChipMixer's chip sizes in your own wallet won't help against analysis like the FAQ claims. It can only fool stupid analysis tools.

There are more problems. Many users sweep different chip sizes in single TX making it even more obvious. Even if none of these worked, then chips will lead to someone's tainted coins and will raise alarms at the exchange etc.

Good point, I skipped that. Sorry.



I didn't know that Binance issue, Google'd and learned, thanks for letting me know. Yes, Wasabi transactions is obvious, but it's also easy to tell if you used ChipMixer, because of the common chip sizes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Some cons and pros of both:

ChipMixer
Pros:
* Low min amount
* Fast and simple, no learning curve
* Run on all (Tor) web browsers, even on low-end PCs, no download
Cons:
* Trust required for funds, and not keeping logs

Wasabi
Pros:
* No trust required
Cons:
* Min high amount
* Learning curve, confusing for beginners
* Download required & doesnt't run on 32-bit systems

I now realize both have their use cases, I don't know why I made that overstatement.

@kufarrr and others, please read this, if you haven't already:

https://www.removeddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/c4so58/i_am_a_current_or_former_employee_of_chainalysis/

Let's always use these tools and put Chainalysis out of business.

I don't see any reason why we should use ChipMixer or any other mixers when there is Wasabi Wallet. These mixers should die honestly. Plus, you can get a dirty UTXO from ChipMixer, the process how they refill their chips is not clear.

no volume here in most markets.. i prefer to bet directly on pinnacle agents if all it does is copy pinnacle..

danshan, what's the point of betting here?

thanks for cleaing it it exbet..


check their faq about gas.. i know volume sucks but odds are good

Interface is really slick.. Few questions if u don't mind

1.Will we have a clear guarantee market makers won't reject successfull bettor's orders or you won't close account of bettors who beat them? (heard it happening a lot non-Betfair fiat exchanges)

2.if there is not enough volume, you will ever trade in your own markets? (since you talked about your market maker bot)

3.Last, are you afraid of degens.com adding BTC and compete with you?  They have Betfair like interface. (Sorry if this question sounds weird, but i'm a regular bettor there )

sorry if they are too early to ask and thanks in advance..

Its not about passing and going to another site.. I contacted their support, agent keeps saying "how can i help?" even after I asked the question. In one case he replied 9,5 hours later!.. And his reply didn't even answer the question.. In another case they replied 4 hours later. If agent is offline, support chat shouldn't show on site. SIMPLE. after trying to talk for 4th time, I insulted and quit, never to visit again.

Removed the insult from my original post even though they deserve it, won't even lower mywself to their level

Thank you for the replying.. I hope you succeed and save us from bookies robbing us with their odds . just wanted to mention the challenges, good to know your aware of them.. I am sad to miss beta, also can't wait

I still think it will fail but let's hope a miracle happens..

I wanna try Onehash for the 1st time. Because am bored of normal books.  But I don't understand mutual betting much.

My question is, what if I bet and there is no one on the other side and that side wins? Will I lose my bet? 

Thanks.

Exbet will fail. PERIOD.

Betbtc was a BTC bet exchange for 4,5 YEARS!.. They had everything, Betfair interface, good odds and API.. it had shit liquidity and in the end became (had to become) a sportsbook..

Fairlay the biggest BTC exchange has shit liquidity too. You may say because of its interface but why did Betbtc fail then? Exbet got excited for nothing..

BTC BET EXCHANGE business has no market except for a small number of players which will be banned by market makers, thats what happened in fiat exchanges except maybe Betfair..

Sad to miss the beta

Hope it succeeds , but think exbet.io will fail like other bet exchanges failed. Betbtc had no volume (even with Betfair design). It still failed and became a normal sportsbook. Many more examples, even in fiat bet exchanges. In the end, even if exbet gets the volume, exbet will turn to something  which will cancel bets who beat their market makers.

people kept saying they miss direcbet, and dbet opened. they complained about odds a bit, then this thread became dead, i don't know why. it was dead before corona too. this thread should be at least 100 pages by now.

i think dbet needs a sig campaign after the coronavirus.

Guys,  check my old post above


 I talked about so many red flags.. sad to see so many players being scammed. why didn't you listen to me and continued playing even after my post?

hello man, I know you out of stock but I ask for the future.. you say aws can cancel them anytime.. but do you have any idea what's the actual chance that happens based on your past sales? talking about few codes applied only, not much.. i won't do shady stuff, just test servers and shit

Edit: When Windice first launched last year, I posted I was suspicious of them. Sorry for that. Find my new review below.

Nice site with good design.. I just played, lost but it was fun.  Also, Interesting to see the owner just posting big images then leaves without actually answering anything in the topic, that's weird

Too many red flags about this casino, everyone should stay away! Plus, he posted above the IP addresses of some users.

Probably run by a teenager in a dark basement.