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If you see why the btc keep crashing is because there is split/hardfork etc the investor has split their money into many places..
Just like when you see the btc crashing.. did you see all other alts? they all join the crash..
It's because they all investing using BTC not from FIAT!
If you combine all alts volumes into one volume then you will see the Cryptocurrency is rising like crazy in the past weeks or months..
When people realized this then people will start saving their btc more then all those alts that almost all of them starting showing signs of scam or has scammed peoples..
Just like when you see the btc crashing.. did you see all other alts? they all join the crash..
It's because they all investing using BTC not from FIAT!
If you combine all alts volumes into one volume then you will see the Cryptocurrency is rising like crazy in the past weeks or months..
When people realized this then people will start saving their btc more then all those alts that almost all of them starting showing signs of scam or has scammed peoples..
It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:
First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system; you don't run through a few hoops and then get paid for doing something that nobody actually wants.
How about my suggestion 3? Care to comment? :3.First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system; you don't run through a few hoops and then get paid for doing something that nobody actually wants.
It's win-win solution.. Everybody help out each other.. And the high ranks become lead role how to post a good stuff and not getting demoted by junk post reporter.
Re: Patrol: "Great Project". Cleanup request/discussion for Mods.
I'm surprised that there isn't a restriction here that prevents new members from posting anywhere other than in the beginners forum until they have made 10 posts, or achieved a certain rank. I would have thought that would make the forum easier to moderate, and may cut down on the creation of alts.
This is exactly what I was proposed to theymos..Maybe it is not a solution or good thing to discussed about or it seem like my post doesn't reach him or ignored by many..
Well maybe some of you can give a comments or discussing about it? or maybe I'll just keep silent reading or look other place to discuss and just keep try earn bounty with this rank level..
This is the link Suggestion 3
⭐ Merited by ibminer (2)
First of all I am sorry to everyone that get offended by this post..
Especially marlboroza. I am truly sorry if you got offended by me.
The simple example..
They create thousands ids and only need 10 of it for sell/ranks up/earn merits.. and they will start using the other hundreds or thousands ids to spam, tricking post, shitposting, Plagiarisming, "paraphrasing" ETC by intentionally so the 10 ID can create thread and report those..
The quality post recovered? No.. it will worsened by the merit system alone just like that simple example.
When I search the old thread, posts at 2013-2014's, everything is nice, clean, intriguing, informative, healthy debating discussions..
But now.. Almost all of the thread is just "click bait" threads.. No discussion at all.. The OP long gone and never active..
Why choose to ignore reporting them? Why not clean it up together?
The key is the Newbies ids, they must do this to level up.
1. The first one report spam/junk/shitpost/similar will rewarded 1 merit, but the one that got reported will -20 activity and also will demoted the rank if his/her activity is not enough for the actual ranks. As the Newbie rank can't post at all, only can post on new section called "New Comers" and asking question over there and get answered by two mods (creative mods that not only read and replay, but actively post the recently asked question for the newbie read) and the newbies can't report any posts in that section.
2. As for the newbies that already help us cleaning up the forum like collected 10 merit will eventually get new rank called "Matured Newbie".
And continue to earn merit by reporting until they reach full member or any rank that you think it is enough for them to help!
3. Each day Newbies can only report 2 posts and matured newbie until any rank that you think it is enough for them to helping can only report 4 posts.
4. The matured newbie still need activity to level up.
5. As for them that already already full member or any rank that you think it is enough for them to help!. Doesn't need merit anymore to rise up, they only need activity.
6. And the most important thing.. Let's get down together helping this forum out by demoting one of our current rank and go earn our actual rank back with the new system going on.
7. For the first time I am sure that all the mods gonna overwhelmed by the new system going on..
But it is far better!! And the posts that should be reported got reported by default! Right now not everyone want to report things because it's not their really business to do so..
With this loop going on, maybe within 2 months or more the forum got cleaned up and if there is not too much to report anymore..
You guys can start giving the High rank a promotion merits that they will get responsibility for it.
If the promoted ID got reported and proven wrong/breaking rules then the responsibility High rank got the punishment as well.
(with this the new member that actually good member and really a good friend of yours can join up without trouble)
PS: I am really sorry if I'm out of topics and has bad grammar on it. Just want attentions from theymos and all of this is for the greater good of this bitcoin forum and all the members. (And if the coding is impossible then I will understand it clearly and just hoping for the best.)
Edit: just another PS.. Might as well give 1 week notice to everyone in the forum so they clean up their mess post by the time given.
Especially marlboroza. I am truly sorry if you got offended by me.
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Plagiarism, "paraphrasing" and copy/paste
January 31, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
Merited by theymos (50), SFR10 (5), ibminer (2), pugman (1), jtipt (1), TMAN (1), nullius (1)
Giving merit for post like this is not a problems.. But please guys.. Not that I'm complaining anything.. But by "these method" alone the ID farmer can earn merits and the shitposter/spammers/paraphrasing still continues or even worse! And people that really helping just like marlboroza or others that hasn't have name yet will be abandoned and saying "no more merits for you".January 31, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
Merited by theymos (50), SFR10 (5), ibminer (2), pugman (1), jtipt (1), TMAN (1), nullius (1)
The simple example..
They create thousands ids and only need 10 of it for sell/ranks up/earn merits.. and they will start using the other hundreds or thousands ids to spam, tricking post, shitposting, Plagiarisming, "paraphrasing" ETC by intentionally so the 10 ID can create thread and report those..
The quality post recovered? No.. it will worsened by the merit system alone just like that simple example.
When I search the old thread, posts at 2013-2014's, everything is nice, clean, intriguing, informative, healthy debating discussions..
But now.. Almost all of the thread is just "click bait" threads.. No discussion at all.. The OP long gone and never active..
Why choose to ignore reporting them? Why not clean it up together?
The key is the Newbies ids, they must do this to level up.
1. The first one report spam/junk/shitpost/similar will rewarded 1 merit, but the one that got reported will -20 activity and also will demoted the rank if his/her activity is not enough for the actual ranks. As the Newbie rank can't post at all, only can post on new section called "New Comers" and asking question over there and get answered by two mods (creative mods that not only read and replay, but actively post the recently asked question for the newbie read) and the newbies can't report any posts in that section.
2. As for the newbies that already help us cleaning up the forum like collected 10 merit will eventually get new rank called "Matured Newbie".
And continue to earn merit by reporting until they reach full member or any rank that you think it is enough for them to help!
3. Each day Newbies can only report 2 posts and matured newbie until any rank that you think it is enough for them to helping can only report 4 posts.
4. The matured newbie still need activity to level up.
5. As for them that already already full member or any rank that you think it is enough for them to help!. Doesn't need merit anymore to rise up, they only need activity.
6. And the most important thing.. Let's get down together helping this forum out by demoting one of our current rank and go earn our actual rank back with the new system going on.
7. For the first time I am sure that all the mods gonna overwhelmed by the new system going on..
But it is far better!! And the posts that should be reported got reported by default! Right now not everyone want to report things because it's not their really business to do so..
With this loop going on, maybe within 2 months or more the forum got cleaned up and if there is not too much to report anymore..
You guys can start giving the High rank a promotion merits that they will get responsibility for it.
If the promoted ID got reported and proven wrong/breaking rules then the responsibility High rank got the punishment as well.
(with this the new member that actually good member and really a good friend of yours can join up without trouble)
PS: I am really sorry if I'm out of topics and has bad grammar on it. Just want attentions from theymos and all of this is for the greater good of this bitcoin forum and all the members. (And if the coding is impossible then I will understand it clearly and just hoping for the best.)
Edit: just another PS.. Might as well give 1 week notice to everyone in the forum so they clean up their mess post by the time given.
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[TIPS] Kumpulan Istilah dan Tips'n'Trik Trading! [UPDATED]
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[TIPS] Kumpulan Istilah dan Tips'n'Trik Trading! [UPDATED]
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Re: [TIPS] Kumpulan Istilah dan Tips'n'Trik Trading! [UPDATED]
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Kalau masalah mencari berita terlebih dahulu sebelum trading,apakah agan punya referensi untuk sumber2 berita nya yang dapat di gunakan dalam menganalisa market?Tolong bagikan untuk saya ya .
Anda bisa mencari semua berita/referensi/narasumber di dalam forum ini.Tinggal menggunakan search atau google.
Kalau bagi saya. Yang harus di pahami dalam dunia trading adalah bagaimana memahami supply dan demand karena harga dipengaruhi oleh hal tersebut.
Kalau dari saya sendiri mungkin sedikit merubah segi pandang dari trading.
Memang benar jika rumusan dasar trading adalah membeli diharga rendah lalu menjual di harga tinggi, itu sudah merupakan hal pasti disegala jenis perdagangan.
Tapi kebanyakan orang mereka selalu mengejar harga, yang pada akhirnya mereka bisa membeli suatu koin di harga sedang mulai naik terkadang ujungnya justru koin turun lagi.
Namun untuk saya pribadi lebih suka melihat trading itu adalah sebuah cara untuk berinvestasi atau biasa dibilang long term.
Contohnya :
Saya memiliki BTC sebanyak 0.004, saya akan melakukan research tentang koin-koin yang mempunyai potensi di coinmarketcap dan saya menemukan beberapa, misalnya : Ripple, NEO dan EOS.
Kebetulan saat itu harga koin-koin tersebut turun, maka saya akan membeli 3 koin tersebut. Dengan jumlah sekian :
Ripple : 0.002, NEO : 0.0005, EOS : 0.0005, BTC : 0.001.
Ingat selalu sisakan modal yang kita punya jangan nafsu.
Saya tidak peduli harga itu turun atau naik sampai saya benar-benar menemukan harga yang sesuai baru akan saya jual, jika harga salah satu koin itu turun dari harga yang sebelumnya saya beli, justru saya akan membeli koin tersebut dengan sisa koin saya. Dengan lama kelamaan saya menganalisis suatu koin dicoinmarketcap seperti itu maka saya akan terbiasa dengan pergerakan mereka sehingga saya bisa menempatkan modal saya dikoin yang tepat.
Memang benar jika rumusan dasar trading adalah membeli diharga rendah lalu menjual di harga tinggi, itu sudah merupakan hal pasti disegala jenis perdagangan.
Tapi kebanyakan orang mereka selalu mengejar harga, yang pada akhirnya mereka bisa membeli suatu koin di harga sedang mulai naik terkadang ujungnya justru koin turun lagi.
Namun untuk saya pribadi lebih suka melihat trading itu adalah sebuah cara untuk berinvestasi atau biasa dibilang long term.
Contohnya :
Saya memiliki BTC sebanyak 0.004, saya akan melakukan research tentang koin-koin yang mempunyai potensi di coinmarketcap dan saya menemukan beberapa, misalnya : Ripple, NEO dan EOS.
Kebetulan saat itu harga koin-koin tersebut turun, maka saya akan membeli 3 koin tersebut. Dengan jumlah sekian :
Ripple : 0.002, NEO : 0.0005, EOS : 0.0005, BTC : 0.001.
Ingat selalu sisakan modal yang kita punya jangan nafsu.
Saya tidak peduli harga itu turun atau naik sampai saya benar-benar menemukan harga yang sesuai baru akan saya jual, jika harga salah satu koin itu turun dari harga yang sebelumnya saya beli, justru saya akan membeli koin tersebut dengan sisa koin saya. Dengan lama kelamaan saya menganalisis suatu koin dicoinmarketcap seperti itu maka saya akan terbiasa dengan pergerakan mereka sehingga saya bisa menempatkan modal saya dikoin yang tepat.
Sedikit saya tambahkan berdasarkan pengalaman trading, setiap weekend adalah saat yang tepat
Untuk buy koin, tapi tetap harus dilihat dulu koin apa yang terjadi sell besar2an
Dan kemungkinan hari senin mulai Up perlahan2.
Saya beberapa kali sempat mencoba dan terbukti profit.
Untuk buy koin, tapi tetap harus dilihat dulu koin apa yang terjadi sell besar2an
Dan kemungkinan hari senin mulai Up perlahan2.
Saya beberapa kali sempat mencoba dan terbukti profit.
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budayakan search dulu gan sebelom bikin topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2019976.0
disini udah komplit noh tinggal baca halaman 1-kelar
meskipun dia menyuruh orang berbudaya search dulu tetapi dia sendiri tidak berbudaya membaca dengan baikhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2019976.0
disini udah komplit noh tinggal baca halaman 1-kelar
tetapi karena memberikan informasi soal link yang kontennya tidak oot maka saya masukan kemari :3
Kalo tips dari saya sih gini aja gan, ini sepengetahuan saya saja selama menggeluti dunia trading :
BTC UP : ALT DOWN
BTC DOWN : ALT DOWN
BTC UNSTABLE : ALTS DOWN
BTC STABLE : ALTS MOON
Dengan begitu kita tau kapan harus membeli dan kapan harus menjual
BTC UP : ALT DOWN
BTC DOWN : ALT DOWN
BTC UNSTABLE : ALTS DOWN
BTC STABLE : ALTS MOON
Dengan begitu kita tau kapan harus membeli dan kapan harus menjual
ane trik singkat trading harian:
1. buy sebagian di harga stabil harian (ini bakalan beda tiap masing" individu yang ngeliat pasar tiap hari). jaga" klo tiba" pump ga jelas, beli sekitar 30% dari uang kita aja gan, itung" cukup buat harian
2. kalo dump buy lagi 30%, ini dimaksudkan buat nutupin kerugian klo harga balik pas trading di nomor 1(jadi tetep opit)
3. lakukan 3-4x sehari, lumayan buat makan ente sebulan kyknya klo modal 5 jutaan
1. buy sebagian di harga stabil harian (ini bakalan beda tiap masing" individu yang ngeliat pasar tiap hari). jaga" klo tiba" pump ga jelas, beli sekitar 30% dari uang kita aja gan, itung" cukup buat harian
2. kalo dump buy lagi 30%, ini dimaksudkan buat nutupin kerugian klo harga balik pas trading di nomor 1(jadi tetep opit)
3. lakukan 3-4x sehari, lumayan buat makan ente sebulan kyknya klo modal 5 jutaan
Sebenernya gak ada yang namanya Tips khusus dari trading, Tapi hampir setiap koin itu benar2 di pengaruhi oleh yang namanya Trending/Berita. Jadi naik dan turunnya suatu altcoin benar2 di pengaruhi oleh berita2 itu yang memancing setiap orang untuk menjual maupun membeli altcoin tersebut.
Rajin2 lihat chart di Coinmarketcap, karena sebelum memilih koin untuk bertrading alangkah baiknya kita cek koin tersebut apakah layak/tidaknya serta mempunyai volume yang cukup tinggi/tidak untuk di perdangangkan, Jadi jangan pernah memiliih koin yang tidak ada di coinmarketcap untuk di perdagangkan.
Yang terakhir, rajin2 juga untuk melihat selisih harga melalui coinmarketcap untuk mendapatkan keuntungan dengan teknik Arbitrasi
kalau tidak ada list coin di coinmarketcap berarti bukan exchanger bonafit dan perlu dipertanyakan validasinya gan. memang yang utama kita harus perhatikan trending news akan koin tertentu gan dengan melihat sirkulasi dan volumenya kita jadi tahu prediksi kedepan koin tersebutRajin2 lihat chart di Coinmarketcap, karena sebelum memilih koin untuk bertrading alangkah baiknya kita cek koin tersebut apakah layak/tidaknya serta mempunyai volume yang cukup tinggi/tidak untuk di perdangangkan, Jadi jangan pernah memiliih koin yang tidak ada di coinmarketcap untuk di perdagangkan.
Yang terakhir, rajin2 juga untuk melihat selisih harga melalui coinmarketcap untuk mendapatkan keuntungan dengan teknik Arbitrasi
Kalau tips dari saya pertama perhatikan polanya pake yang paling penting trading saat koinnya lagi dalam keadaan uptren atau sideway jangan trading pada keadaan downtren karena kebanyakan rugi kita. Kedua lihat juga masa depan proyeknya serta gunakan alat teknikal seperti MA, booling, dan alat analisis lain yang sesuai dengan koinnya.
[TIPS] Kumpulan Istilah dan Tips'n'Trik Trading! [UPDATED]
⭐ Merited by adrianto1995 (1)
Kumpulan Istilah dan Tips'n'Trik Trading!
Last update 31 Jan 2018
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Istilah/panduan
Trading
Trading adalah kegiatan menjualbelikan suatu aset dengan menggunakan prediksi, kemungkinan, kepastian, ataupun spekulasi yang dimiliki perorangan.
Judi
Judi adalah kegiatan mempertaruhkan aset untuk mendapatkan keuntungan dari kemungkinan.
Sering disalahartikan bahwa judi dan trading itu sama, padahal judi itu murni mengadu nasib tanpa melihat hal-hal yang dibutuhkan trading.
Supply-Demand
Supply-Demand adalah besarnya kebutuhan dan pemasok suatu aset.
Didalam trading hal ini menjadi salah satu bagian penting untuk dilihat.
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Support (demand) adalah level harga dimana lebih banyak buyer yang bersedia membeli dibanding seller pada level harga tertentu.
Resistance (supply) adalah dimana lebih banyak tersedia supply dibanding buyer yang bersedia membeli supply tersebut pada level harga tertentu.
Metafor sederhananya semakin sedikit barang itu ada di dunia maka harganya akan terus naik akan tetapi jika sedikit kebutuhan akan barang itu maka harga barang itu akan sulit untuk naik.Resistance (supply) adalah dimana lebih banyak tersedia supply dibanding buyer yang bersedia membeli supply tersebut pada level harga tertentu.
HODL
HODL kepanjangan Hold on for dear life =
bertahanlah sampai akhir hayat
bahasa inggris yang merupakan typonya HOLD (tahan)yang biasanya digunakan orang-orang yang percaya bahwa aset pilihan mereka akan naik nantinya.
Cut Loss
Cut Loss ungkapan memotong rugi suatu aset karena akan terus turun.
Cut Loss(memotong kerugian) di lakukan karena anda ingin mendapatkan keuntungan dalam waktu beberapa menit atau beberapa jam/minggu..
Memutuskan tidak Cut Loss berarti anda tidak ingin mendapatkan keuntungan pada waktu dekat (beberapaa minggu).
Logika Cut Loss itu sederhananya, menjual aset yang saat ini turun dan diprediksikan atau kondisi aset tersebut akan terus turun dan kemudian membeli aset lainnya yang akan naik. Itu dilakukan untuk mengurangi kerugian pada saat itu juga, karena anda ingin mendapatkan keuntungan dalam waktu beberapa menit atau jam/minggu..
Jadi ketika anda ingin memutuskan Cut Loss maka artinya anda ingin memotong rugi anda dan berahli ke koin lainnya yang akan naik untuk menutupi kerugian anda pada saat itu atau menunggu titik turunnya koin tersebut berhenti atau mulai naik kembali baru membelinya lagi.
Contoh:
Koin A harga 1000.
Anda membeli 1 koin A(+1), maka koin tersebut akan berstatus 100% sebagai titik awal modal anda.
Ketika koin itu naik 10%(+0.1) maka status modal anda menjadi 110%.(+1.1)
Tetapi jika koin itu bukan naik tetapi turun 10%(-0.1) maka status modal anda menjadi 90%.(+0.9)
Dan jika anda memutuskan untuk Cut Loss pada saat koin itu sudah turun 10%(-0.1) maka anda menutup modal anda menjadi 90%.(0.9)
Tetapi ketika koin itu masih terus turun menjadi 20%(-0.2) dari modal anda (+1 menjadi +0.8 ) sesuai dengan prediksi/keputusan anda maka jumlah turunnya lagi tersebut (10% dari 20% -0.1) menjadi tambahan 10% dari total modal anda (0.9) ketika anda membeli lagi di harga 0.8. (Total modal anda menjadi 0.9+10% = 0.99)
Bayangkan jika anda bisa memprediksikan koin itu akan turun lagi -50% dari -5% maka anda mendapatkan +45% dari total modal anda saat CL.
(Ingat bukan total modal awal anda!)
Mereka yang suka posisi Cut Loss memiliki julukan BEAR.
BEAR
BEAR julukan orang-orang bursa saham kepada mereka yang suka memprediksikan turunnya suatu aset dan mengambil keuntungan dari turunnya aset itu.
WHALE
WHALE atau Paus adalah julukan orang-orang trading kepada mereka yang merupakan pemodal besar atau pemilik Blok BTC yang berjumlah banyak sekali. Umumnya mereka yang menjadi dalang naik turunnya suatu harga koin. Dan dirumorkan sebagai pemakan ikan-ikan kecil yang ada di dunia trading.
FUD
FUD adalah kependekan dari Fear, Uncertain, Doubt (Takut, Tidak jelas, Ragu-ragu) ungkapan keadaan yang di gunakan jika adanya issue/rumor atau berita buruk terhadap suatu koin atau dunia cryptocurrency.
Panic Sell/Buy
Panic Sell/Buy adalah istilah kejadian seseorang menjual/membeli aset hanya karena rumor atau pengaruh orang atau dratisnya pergerakan market.
Kejadian ini sering terjadi di dalam dunia Cryptocurrency karena minimnya berita yang dimiliki dan dengan mudahnya terpengaruh oleh rumor atau info tidak jelas.
Tips 'n' Trik
- 8 tips yang harus kamu ketahui! Baca ini
- Membeli di harga terrendah dan menjual di harga tertinggi.
- Menahan kepemilikan Koin di suatu market itu percuma saja jika market tersebut terhubung dengan market luar.
Karena market luar bisa mengirimkan dan menjual koin mereka di harga yang sedang anda tahan tersebut..
- Harga Market di tentukan oleh user yang artinya naik turunnya suatu harga koin itu bisa di permainkan oleh pemodal besar.
Karena dengan membuang beberapa uang pada fee market, mereka bisa mempermainkan harga.
Contoh:
(Paus punya 10000 koin, lalu menghabiskan 2000nya(20%) untuk jual murah beli mahal agar menaikan dan jual mahal beli murah untuk menurunkan harga. Jika dia sukses membuat trend naik atau turun lebih dari 20% maka keuntungannya akan di dapatkan dari sisa 8000(80%) koinnya baca bagian cut loss kenapa harga turun bisa menjadi keuntungan)
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Merit system has been implemented because some guys thought it will be great idea to create dozens if not hundreds new accounts to spam forum with one-line-zero value-meaningless-nonsense-hit&run-joined-godbless-goodluck-off topic posts.
Some of them improved posting quality over time but most of them didn't, so, you want to punish old members because of such spammers?
As the matter of fact you are a way off topic with this post.
This is not discussion about merit so would you please stop spamming my topic with nonsense?
WHOOPS~! SORRY~Merit system has been implemented because some guys thought it will be great idea to create dozens if not hundreds new accounts to spam forum with one-line-zero value-meaningless-nonsense-hit&run-joined-godbless-goodluck-off topic posts.
Some of them improved posting quality over time but most of them didn't, so, you want to punish old members because of such spammers?
As the matter of fact you are a way off topic with this post.
This is not discussion about merit so would you please stop spamming my topic with nonsense?
I thought you might like it. Since I created those suggestion when I was newbie.. And give your thought about it..
And btw demoted ranks is the best fairness to the system. So there will be no pro-contra about it.
It's not punishing the old member.. but telling the old member to become inspiration or lead how to earn their actual ranks with the new system going on.
If you think it still off topic of yours then I'll eraser it right away.
Bad/lazy campaign managers and sig campaigns are a big part of the reason why the forum is a cesspool of spam right now...
I believe the merit system is in place partly to combat bad/lazy campaign managers who are not doing their job. It would be truly stupid to then give them the power that essentially makes the new merit system useless.
I would say based on the earliest of evidence that smerit distribution is probably still a little bit low. But given time we can hope that it will be adjusted. Finding the balance point of making merit useful and useless will probably take some time but adjusting that balancing point to much before data is available also seems stupid.
I believe the merit system is in place partly to combat bad/lazy campaign managers who are not doing their job. It would be truly stupid to then give them the power that essentially makes the new merit system useless.
I would say based on the earliest of evidence that smerit distribution is probably still a little bit low. But given time we can hope that it will be adjusted. Finding the balance point of making merit useful and useless will probably take some time but adjusting that balancing point to much before data is available also seems stupid.
This is exactly what I'm saying about "in a wrong hands".
But it's actually a bit a same with the system goes right now.. The legendary(usually the campaign managers are) already have their own enough smerit and rank safety to don't give a damn about it.
Even now as we speak, I already seen some people are trying to gain SOURCE Merit that theymos talking about by focusing about encouraging the Merit system and so on instead of what they actually discussed or post before the system is up.. Didn't you find it very fishy?
Well, I am sorry if it's just my speculation about it.
I was wondering about the new system that has been implemented. We all know that it can be challenging to earn even a single merit, I mean not all the members of this forum are that familiar to what really is going on, especially to the new members.
So I will get to the point, so how about this, let's say we joined a Signature Campaign it lasts for four weeks. And every week you will be required a number of post, let's say 25 posts. So you've already met that requirement and has been confirmed by the Manager. We also know that the Manager reviews your posts if those are constructive, here's the thing why not reward Merits to those participants that have quality posts, by the Manager.
Then its not going be hard as before for the participants to earn Merits and eventually rank up.
Does this idea makes any sense? Let me know guys what are your opinion about this.
Hold on there.. You are try to say that manager of campaign should be have a source merit to provide it?So I will get to the point, so how about this, let's say we joined a Signature Campaign it lasts for four weeks. And every week you will be required a number of post, let's say 25 posts. So you've already met that requirement and has been confirmed by the Manager. We also know that the Manager reviews your posts if those are constructive, here's the thing why not reward Merits to those participants that have quality posts, by the Manager.
Then its not going be hard as before for the participants to earn Merits and eventually rank up.
Does this idea makes any sense? Let me know guys what are your opinion about this.
If the source used in good hands then it's good and actually gonna be great idea.
But! If the source used in a wrong hands then.. spams merits going to be happened and it can easily collapse the system.
But if by your mean the manager of campaign should given their available merit that they has then it's excellent idea and you should pm them about it.
Kalo menurut saya gan merit kayaknya susah di dapatkan orang kalo mau merit akun orang lain biasanya dia sudah kenal dengan orang tersebut atau posanya itu membuat dia dapat ilmu banyak atau kagum dan berkualitas.
Yang jadi masalah.....
Nasib orang yang baru atau akan bergabung di bitcoin mereka kan masih tahap belajar pasti pos nya kalo menurut temen teman yang sudah senior pasti pos Sanya gak berkualitas itu sudah pasti.
Kadang juga berkualitas kalo bahasa kita seribu satu yang bisa seperti itu.
Kadang juga orang ngepos sangat berkualitas tapi juga gak ada yang merit juga .
Saran saya sebaiknya yang berhak ngasih peringkat , nilai,merit dan lain sebagainya itu para petinggi perusahaan cryiptocurrency berserta para jajarannya.
Percuma saja semua ini dilakukan. Karena Forum ini milik segelintir orang dan mereka menutut untuk kalian bisa berbahasa inggris dengan benar.Yang jadi masalah.....
Nasib orang yang baru atau akan bergabung di bitcoin mereka kan masih tahap belajar pasti pos nya kalo menurut temen teman yang sudah senior pasti pos Sanya gak berkualitas itu sudah pasti.
Kadang juga berkualitas kalo bahasa kita seribu satu yang bisa seperti itu.
Kadang juga orang ngepos sangat berkualitas tapi juga gak ada yang merit juga .
Saran saya sebaiknya yang berhak ngasih peringkat , nilai,merit dan lain sebagainya itu para petinggi perusahaan cryiptocurrency berserta para jajarannya.
Jika tidak bisa maka terima nasib anda.(titik)
Tujuan merit untuk mengurangi postingan sampah.. sedangkan kebanyakan bounty mengharuskan beberapa post dengan suatu deadline.
Alhasil tetap akan ada postingan sampah.. Dan Merit ini hanyalah suatu tambahan yang menjadi bumbu pedas kepada kita semua tanpa adanya sumber air yang jelas..
Sebaik apapun postingan kamu di suatu thread tidak akan sebaik postingan kamu membuat thread baru atau membantu orang lain suatu thread untuk mendapatkan Merit.
To be fair.. let's demoted 2 rank to all ranks so they must reach their Merit to get their previous ranks before the system update.
But I still can't find a way to prevent spammer/shitposter/famer with this method alone.
Oh yes this will become CHAOS for the impact of new system has reached to everyone without exceptions :3.
Legendary become Sr.Member, Hero become full member and Sr.member become member and so on.
So the system will be accepted without any rejection in unfairness method that happened.
Or... Have you read about these suggestion?
Suggestion 1 and Suggestion 2
Give me your comment about these please :3.
But I still can't find a way to prevent spammer/shitposter/famer with this method alone.
Oh yes this will become CHAOS for the impact of new system has reached to everyone without exceptions :3.
Legendary become Sr.Member, Hero become full member and Sr.member become member and so on.
So the system will be accepted without any rejection in unfairness method that happened.
Or... Have you read about these suggestion?
Suggestion 1 and Suggestion 2
Give me your comment about these please :3.
Re: Tanya Jawab Seputar Forum Disini/Ask about this forum here!
Huhuhu jangankan suatu OP bisa menjadi diskusi.. Jadi tempat menaruh masukan atau ide aja udah susah di saring karena terlalu banyaknya spam atau orang-orang yang posting hanya karena mengejar tuntutan bounty sehingga tidak ada lagi diskusi ataupun membaca kontennya terlebih dahulu..
Inilah contoh jelas Tips n Trik Trading yang saya buat sampai-sampai saya ingin berhenti meneruskannya..
Dari situ, peserta bounty yg spamming akan kehilangan "count post-nya" di thread agan.
Btw, thread agan masuk ke daftar "watch-list" saya.
Dont ever give up with your good.
Okay. Noted :3.
Jadi semangat lagi kalo ada yang tulis gitu "Btw, thread agan masuk ke daftar "watch-list" saya."
Thanks bro.
And btw apakah diperbolehkan jika saya close thread lama dan membuka thread baru dengan sedikit pembaharuan atas thread lama?
Contentnya sudah pasti hampir sama tapi sedikit di perbaiki agar lebih mudah di baca dan mudah di urus (Mau coba pake self-mod).
Why applying it? In what form did you trying to achieved to become a Merit Source?
This is another one perception that got it wrong..
Merit point is to given point to good poster or people that deserved it with your available value.. Not turning it to become a politic about it.
And gain more by telling you are active bla bla and gain a source of it and start abusing it as you now has the power to doing so..
Not that I'd say that you are gonna abuse it.. but it is already abused if this kind of application is posted here without legit and guaranteed reasons.
This is another one perception that got it wrong..
Merit point is to given point to good poster or people that deserved it with your available value.. Not turning it to become a politic about it.
And gain more by telling you are active bla bla and gain a source of it and start abusing it as you now has the power to doing so..
Not that I'd say that you are gonna abuse it.. but it is already abused if this kind of application is posted here without legit and guaranteed reasons.
menurut saya gan adanya trip dan trik trading telah terkumpul berbagai macam cara sangat membantu para bitcoiner,dari berbagai pengalaman bitcoiner yang telah dikeluarkan bisa membantu bitcoiner lainnya dengan melihat berbagai tips dan trading disini.
inilah Contoh shitposter!Semoga aja di nuke admin.
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Hold on for dear life/bertahanlah untuk hidup yang baik
ini terjemahan indonya kok bikin getek ya? HODL itu sebetulnya plesetan dari HOLD mula2nya karena di forum ada yang posting salah eja. lalu kepanjangannya "hold on for dear life" dibuat2. mungkin lebih pas diterjemahkan "pegang/tahan sampai akhir hayat"
Terima kasih atas masukan/kritiknya.
FYI HODL di berikan kepanjangan oleh orang2 di internet sebagai Hold On for Dear Life.
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Re: BCT is now a "Government", mod and legend are all Cabinet ！
The admins of this forum have all the right to change the rules in this forum. They also have all the right to assign anyone they want to be moderators and staff. The admins use their best judgement on all their moves in this forum and they do that for the advancement of this forum. If you have any suggestion send it to them and let them have a look and study. But for now lets embrace this merit system and see how it goes. This is just new, not even a month implemented for us to judge that its not good. Its either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
I think the sentiment here is that people are disappointed at the management capability of the admins, including their way of communicating the inevitable pain in such process. For sure this is a private forum and admin can do whatever they want. They started building this community from 2010 and they have every right to destroy it. The truth is that people can vote with their feet and if the system is bad enough, another forum will replace bitcointalk.org. Then merit or level on BTT won't mean anything.
Governments tries to ban bitcoin but they can't, even those are their (sort of) private countries and the rulers can do whatever they want. Deploying a new Trumpester system to see how it goes, being completely ignorant and insensitive of how most people feels, while every single hero/legendary members in this thread has some signature campaigns going on, is irresponsible, incompetent, and is a bad sign for the forum.
Everything has its time in history. Even bitcoin might eventually die to give place for maybe a better designed value system. Now could be the ending of the beginning or BTT, but it could also be the beginning of its ending.
At least can they hear this out? :3
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The problem is a suggestion from us is 99% being ignored and only 0.9% chance that your suggestion will reach them. 0.1% they agree with it. Take example this threads that I make Suggestion 1 and Suggestion 2
Those both suggestions is posted when I was a NEWBIE! You can check the date :3.
Oh wait! You are already legendary/hero.. Yeah of course then :3.
Okay how about this simple suggestions.. All ranked perished to Newbie again and start from 0 again?
Or at least demoted one rank to All legendary and Hero members or all the ranks so they must earn the title by the merits they should have?
With that.. I think the fairness and the chaos will become clearer :3.
What will happened by this merit system is..
- Farmer will become rich for the opportunity that has been given to them.
Selling merits is easy as shit!
- DTs gonna be ruined by this system and farmer can overwhelm it by giving merits wrongly but intentionally..
- OP's Gonna flooded on all thread sections, especially the region section! Actually my region is already a shit poster place! (of course not all of them)
- FINALLY! IF what I suggested before happened then..
ALL OF YOU WILL NAGGING HERE!! LMFAOOS!
Those both suggestions is posted when I was a NEWBIE! You can check the date :3.
Oh wait! You are already legendary/hero.. Yeah of course then :3.
Okay how about this simple suggestions.. All ranked perished to Newbie again and start from 0 again?
Or at least demoted one rank to All legendary and Hero members or all the ranks so they must earn the title by the merits they should have?
With that.. I think the fairness and the chaos will become clearer :3.
What will happened by this merit system is..
- Farmer will become rich for the opportunity that has been given to them.
Selling merits is easy as shit!
- DTs gonna be ruined by this system and farmer can overwhelm it by giving merits wrongly but intentionally..
- OP's Gonna flooded on all thread sections, especially the region section! Actually my region is already a shit poster place! (of course not all of them)
- FINALLY! IF what I suggested before happened then..
ALL OF YOU WILL NAGGING HERE!! LMFAOOS!
Re: 'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation'
First of all get it clear fella! This is not a decentralized forum! There is owners/founders of the forum and still taking control of it.
And then..
What I see there is not a simple giving a lot of merits resulted in neg-trust, but about whether giving a lot of merits is understandable or not.
It is not about the number of merits that has been sent to some users, but to what post that merit is sent.
Do you think it is believable if a post like "good project", "joining you" and etc has 1 merit on them?
If you said no, I guess you can understand why DT users are tagging those users with neg-trust because their abuse on the merit system is quite clear.
For this example there is a BIG concern about it. Neg-Trust can be easily abused and some member can become a victim of it.
What Reypinioco mentioning is right and clear that some of the members can easily make a person become Redtrusted member by giving them merit to their post that was only replay topics or not really needed to be his/her quality posts on some section.
Are you sure joniboini that if someone giving you merits in your normal post like a replay only will not counted as Neg-Trust by DTs?
Don't be nagging when it happened to you :3. (but of course it is absolutly not me that doing it.. but maybe some people that mad about it :3.)
Lol Holmes~ The problem is a suggestion from us is 99% being ignored and only 0.9% chance that your suggestion will reach them. 0.1% they agree with it. Take example this threads that I make Suggestion 1 and Suggestion 2
Those both suggestion is made when I was NEWBIE! You can check the date :3.
Oh wait! You are already legendary.. Yeah of course then :3.
Okay how about this simple suggestions.. All ranked perished to Newbie again and start from 0 again?
Or at least demoted one rank to All legendary and Hero members or all the ranks so they must earn the title by the merits they should have?
With that.. I think the fairness and the chaos will become clearer :3.
What will happened by this merit system is..
- Farmer will become rich for the opportunity that has been given to them.
Selling merits is easy as shit!
- DTs gonna be ruined by this system and farmer can overwhelm it by giving merits wrongly but intentionally..
- OP's Gonna flooded on all thread sections, especially the region section! Actually my region is already a shit poster place! (of course not all of them)
- FINALLY! IF what I suggested before happened then..
ALL OF YOU WILL NAGGING HERE!! LMFAOOS!
And then..
These merits are shareable but some of the DTs are giving redtrusts because of another abuse created by the new merit system.
how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?
I suppose you are referring to this thread? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?
What I see there is not a simple giving a lot of merits resulted in neg-trust, but about whether giving a lot of merits is understandable or not.
It is not about the number of merits that has been sent to some users, but to what post that merit is sent.
Do you think it is believable if a post like "good project", "joining you" and etc has 1 merit on them?
If you said no, I guess you can understand why DT users are tagging those users with neg-trust because their abuse on the merit system is quite clear.
What Reypinioco mentioning is right and clear that some of the members can easily make a person become Redtrusted member by giving them merit to their post that was only replay topics or not really needed to be his/her quality posts on some section.
Are you sure joniboini that if someone giving you merits in your normal post like a replay only will not counted as Neg-Trust by DTs?
Don't be nagging when it happened to you :3. (but of course it is absolutly not me that doing it.. but maybe some people that mad about it :3.)
It's very interesting to see most of the members praising this so called 'Merit' systems are the users who already got lot of 'Merit's by default. They did NOT have to earn it like all new users will have to now!! Because you guys already got the merits by default ( as per your current rank) it's easy for you to praise this crap system!!
It's also pretty interesting to see how all the shitposters are starting to rise and come to the meta to complain about this "crap" system. I see this as a good way for people to start posting constructively, at least and not just spam for the sake of farming accounts.I can guarantee most of the users who are blindly praising this crap system would not praise if they did not get the merit by default!! if for some reasons this 'merit' system is abolished then these same members will start praising that decision also...
Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..
No shit sherlock. Those who genuinely care about the wellbeing of the forum is obviously praising the merit system. If you can, go on and suggest a better system to eliminate those spammers. The merit system doesn't necessarily make it impossible for people to rank up, I personally would merit someone if I find that their post is genuinely useful and not just something that has been repeated thousands of times.Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..
Those both suggestion is made when I was NEWBIE! You can check the date :3.
Oh wait! You are already legendary.. Yeah of course then :3.
Okay how about this simple suggestions.. All ranked perished to Newbie again and start from 0 again?
Or at least demoted one rank to All legendary and Hero members or all the ranks so they must earn the title by the merits they should have?
With that.. I think the fairness and the chaos will become clearer :3.
What will happened by this merit system is..
- Farmer will become rich for the opportunity that has been given to them.
Selling merits is easy as shit!
- DTs gonna be ruined by this system and farmer can overwhelm it by giving merits wrongly but intentionally..
- OP's Gonna flooded on all thread sections, especially the region section! Actually my region is already a shit poster place! (of course not all of them)
- FINALLY! IF what I suggested before happened then..
ALL OF YOU WILL NAGGING HERE!! LMFAOOS!
Re: [Suggestion] a way to clean up those junkers and farmers?
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posts are only deleted / action is taken only if a forum rule is broken, and even though a post might be mindless, regurgitated junk, if it falls within the forum's rules, action won't be taken. your suggestion has merit, although i really dont expect actual newbies to know exactly how the forum runs, or even some members who have been here for under a year. it would help them immensely in maybe learning how things work around here though. Newbie can't post at all, only can report junkers (Confirmed by mods first) on the forum to earn points so he/she can post something to ask or gain ranks.You can put some points or karma or something for it. And set the limit you must reach first so you can earn 1 post.. As reported post you can give the penalty anything you like, but if you asking my opinion then it is cutting their 5-10 activity and demoting their ranks or bans..
Then it won't be so damn hard for them to go to off topic and report all posts, and after some time when there won't be anything to report newbies won't be able to post anything. Right? Someone suggested newbie jail - but moderators can't really block posts in games and rounds(for example yabat) and I am sure moderators have better things to do in their lives than approving posts whole day and night.
I have better suggestion - add more moderators!
This forum needs at least...hmm...lets see...how many sections and boards? 60+?
In my opinion this forum needs 120 moderators.
There you go. Problem solved.
It's just - You can't run this forum with 5 moderators(number can be wrong) and expect from them to moderate 1357253 users and more than 50000 posts every day.
Now they adding Merit system but no demerit.. Which there will be OP FLOODS and UG Merit Traders..
Our post or opinion won't be reach to them right away or ignored for 99%. 1% if someone has give notice about it directly.
Re: Tanya Jawab Seputar Forum Disini/Ask about this forum here!
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Agak bingung dengan pertanyaan agan... 
Membandingkan 75 karakter dengan 150 post ?
Jelas beda lah... mungkin maksud agan 150 karakter ya?
Saya urutin biar gak bingung buat teman2 yg lain baca, ya gan...
Gak selamanya dibawah 75 karakter adalah spam, tergantung pada konteks topik apa kita posting. Misal "Spec GPU RIG Amptron nembus 2,7 T/hz. Ane lagi uji"..malah cuman 52 karakter dan 1 line post. Tapi bersifat informatif serta bisa dimengerti oleh para miner, bahkan mengajak miner yg lain ikutan mencobanya untuk mendapatkan hasil yg valid.
Dan bahkan ada yang 200 karakter lebih malah menjadi spam. Biasanya diawali dengan "Waah..proyeknya bagus juga nih, mantap...bla...bla....bla.... dan diakhiri dengan "semoga tambah sukses kedepannya, gan. jangan lupa mampir di trit ane.... Dan juga bisa berupa pengulangan "arti/makna" postingan sebelumnya.
Hal ini malah MEMBUAT POST YANG BERGUNA bagi member lain tertutup dan tidak terbaca.
Dan yang lebih menyedihkan adalah TS membuat OP, kemudian TS tsb gak pernah mereview trit yg dia buat (ngapain dia bikin trit/ngajak diskusi tp gak pernah nongol stlh bikin trit)
Contoh kasus di trit ini : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2820206.0 udah mencapai 397 repply lo...
Aktivitas TS stlh bikin OP : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1610905;sa=showPosts , disitu terlihat bahwa sejak trit dibuat, "beliau" tidak memberikan reaksi pada tulisan beliau sendiri.
Agan liat sendiri di trit tsb, bagaimana terjadi pengulangan "makna/arti" tanpa terjadi diskusi.
Ada beberapa pendapat yg berharga, tapi pasti gak terbaca...tertutup oleh spam.
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aku malah melihat yang membolehkan spam justru dari manajernya sendiri, tapi tidak suka dengan syarat yang dia buat sendiri, itu belum muncul reaksi dari admin forum dan jajarannya, kalau tidak boleh pola2 seperti ini harusnya jangan dipakai lagi.
Seingat saya manajer bounty tidak pernah menyarankan untuk spamDi suatu project signature campaign, pasti ada syarat..."make quality post with **characters" (kurang lebih gitu bahasanya)...
Disitu disebutkan untuk membuat postingan yang berkualitas dengan minimum **huruf, dlm kasus agan, misalnya agan sanggup membuat postingan yg berkualitas dengan jumlah minimum hurufnya, ya monggo.
Jika tidak sanggup, maka bikin post dengan huruf lebih banyak.
Semoga jawaban saya membantu agan lebih memahami ttg spamming.
Inilah contoh jelas Tips n Trik Trading yang saya buat sampai-sampai saya ingin berhenti meneruskannya..
ane tambahin tips trading dari ane
cari grop telegram bahasa tentang chart grafik
di twitter juga ada
jadi ente punya chane lebih banyak dan mengetahui informasi lebih lengkap
baca news tentang coin yang di trading kan biasa nya coin2 yang lagi hot itu pas mau hardfork atau blockreward di kurangi sperti bitcoin 4 tahun sekali block reward nya di kurang setengah
betul gan, dengan kita join di room chat, pasti akan banyak analisa dari berbagai orang yang membaca soal candle selanjutnya, setelah itu tugas kita mana dari sekian banyak analisa yang cocok dengan kita, biasanya saya sertakan alasan dan saya catat di buku, supaya lain kali kalau menemui candle yang sama note tersebut sebagai pengingatcari grop telegram bahasa tentang chart grafik
di twitter juga ada
jadi ente punya chane lebih banyak dan mengetahui informasi lebih lengkap
baca news tentang coin yang di trading kan biasa nya coin2 yang lagi hot itu pas mau hardfork atau blockreward di kurangi sperti bitcoin 4 tahun sekali block reward nya di kurang setengah
Tetapi saya melarang yang memberikan postingan hanya karena tuntutan bounty..
Syukurlah sekarang ada system MERIT dan semoga junker lenyap dari thread ini dan tips dan trik trading disini menjadi jelas dan semakin membaik.