are you sure this is an argument you want to bring up in a HF thread? 

Looking at the shop it seems they removed any trace of the MPP for new orders.

CoinHoarder: if you ordered up to mid september, you should automatically have the MPP. After that it was a choice that I believe you *had* to make when you purchased something. I don't know since when they removed the MPP all together.

I'm sure you're already aware of it, but the upgrade kit order chain looks like this for me:

Order ID	Date	Time	No. Baby Jets	Total Sold
Complete	9/24/2013	1:33:00	U1944	1
Complete	9/24/2013	2:00:00	U1947	2
Complete	9/24/2013	2:00:00	U1948	1

From that I guess the No. Baby Jets column is actually the Order ID and the Total Sold column is the No. Upgrade Kits

Well, HashFast makes their order chain public. Though they don't do a real good job of keeping it up to date.

You're right, I totally read your post wrong. 

But to answer your original question: Yes even with a steady network HR, the reduced variance of pooled mining can yield more BTC than solo mining for a long while. I have too little knowledge about probabilities, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a greater than 10% chance pooled mining will yield more than solo mining over a year with a single BJ.

In your case you ordered 8 BJ's (right?) so you are closer to having a private 'pool' than most of us. I can't explain your current ownage of pools though. My best bet would be luck, but I don't know how much latency and downtime will affect the results.

And in the end using a pool also gives ease of mind and stability. Both which can be valued higher than more profit. After all T-Bonds still get bought, even though they have a negative inflation adjusted return.

I like what you have been doing so far (in fact, you have been a reason for my BJ order). But assuming a steady network HR... Who are you and what did you do to cypherdoc?

Anyway, a 100 BJ are mining solo should indeed get more BTC than 100 BJ mining for a pool. However, most people have just 1 BJ and after taking a gamble on BTC in general and HF specifically don't also want to gamble on the roulette table know as block finding. People like me who rather have 12.25 BTC than 50% chance of 25 BTC.

Hmm, reading the bet again:
"as little as 10% of current-generation ASICs" is marketing speak for "10% (rounded down) of the least efficient ASIC you might have been able to buy on the day we wrote this"
"Current-generation ASICs is defined as 1W for 1Ghash" is the bet maker only considering the most efficient ASIC he could find: Bitfury @ 0.9 J/GH
Then proceed to take 10% of 1 J/GH times 400 GH and you get 40W.

I guess that's a typo and should've been 400 watts.
It's not about HashFash winning, it's about the one who made the bet winning. So maybe it wasn't a typo and he bets on people not reading carefully enough and them thinking "sure they'll do better than 400W for 400GH/s" and bet against him. I'm not sure how strict these bets are judged.

Well, I mailed them and got this reply:


It seems to refer to the special promotion you mentioned in an earlier message. At least they didn't ask for 10% to trade the order.

For those who already ordered a first batch Baby Jet, would it be possible to trade it for a Sierra on sale? How much extra would that cost for the device (beyond the $400 difference) and shipping?

A Bitfury 400GH Miner (October Delivery) does 400GH for 400W, you can get it in October and costs a little bit less than the first KNC batch.

So in order for my Jupiter order to have been a smart (or lucky) decision, KNC will indeed need to over deliver on their promise, especially on the hash rate, in which case the lower GH/$ should compensate the higher J/GH.

Wish us luck

In the last 24H 'we' found 18 blocks. So it's a bit more than that.

Still, taking your 500 a day * 365 days... that's some serious dough I'd think.

So, what will they be doing those 5 days between receiving the chips and shipping the first devices? drooling? What's holding them back from shipping the first devices they day they receive the chips? If they have a nice enough secretary they might even hand over the first devices to the guy that delivered the chips

Unless you mean 5 days to produce all the devices, in which case I would be very happy to receive my 61xx order that soon.

And I'm not sure how you get 3 days shipping, but even the least expensive option is 2 days shipping for me.

I don't read that news item as "890 orders will be day 1+2 deliveries". I read that as "The priority of the first 890 orders is based on order date and not pay date, like the rest of the orders will", so it might not be that bad.

Although looking at reference 6 (KnCMiner list of orders) though, I see day 2 deliveries all the way up to order 25xx, which could make the estimate of total KNC hashing power way more scary.

Yup, the Coolermaster V1000 I bought for my Jupiter has a graph on the back side with their claimed efficiency, which goes from 90% (100% load) to about 93% (50% load) to 92% (20% load) efficiency.

However, there is also a graph for the fan speed which goes from about 1200 RPM at 75% load to about 2300 RPM at 100% load. So there it might matter.

If I read Wikipedia correctly, they can basically slap that marking on their device by themselves. Also they're targeting businesses, I don't know how much that impacts the need for certifications.

61xx - 1 Jupiter
Date: 2013 August 21
To: the Netherlands

Yeah, I noticed that when I logged in again. Not when I initially signed up though. Thanks anyway.

Ah, that might have been it then. For some reason I had to log in again.

Yeah, I already feared something like that. I guess any rule has the risk of being abused. C'est la vie.

ps. How is the 360 second limitation calculated? I haven't been able to post a reply until just now.