Allow me to correct your language, I didn't say that I was "blind to see proof", I said that "I've never seen proof"... you even quoted me in reply. That wasn't even the point of my reply, the point was too highlight what is likely and unlikely. I prefer to deal with probabilities rather than possibilities, and win or not, the most likely outcome for a user is to lose money.

The only proof I had seen was people posting an address to show the transfer of BTC, which in my view was not proof. I had saved as a bookmark, an older thread from the last time I tested FBC (late 2016) that was supposed to be proof and there were only a few posts, also just addresses. Other than that, all I had was my personal experience which I also made a point to admit was biased.

That said, I wasn't aware of the thread you posted above (thank you), I'll spend some time to look at the posts. I also clearly stated that I might be outdated when I mentioned that I was unaware of any new posts, in this case an entire thread. At first glance, the thread you posted looks like a good retort, you didn't need to sour it though with the claim that I'm "blind to see proof".


I've never won nor lost money at FBC. And what anger? Are you just trying to fan up some flames? I'll offer you the kindness of assuming that you are intelligent enough to understand that one can be critical of claims without being angry. I daresay that your contributions would be better received if you didn't sprinkle them with personal remarks regarding those you are addressing.

It's not a counter to any of my points, or even on-topic to my claim that time has value. It's a red herring. I'm saying that "time has value", you are saying that "gambling is fun", that is not a topical reply to my claim.


I agree that you are a gambling site and I most certainly disagree that $2 per year is generous. As for the changes coming. It will be interesting to see how all of the changes (whatever they might be) scale and effect each other and whether or not the combination will be an improvement for the user base, both the users and you, or mainly just for you. We shall see.


Superior? We are talking the equivalent of maybe 1 and half cents per day if you are aggressive with the rolls and you stay away from gambling in which case you will likely have nothing. One quarter on the ground is better than rolling 6 times per day on this site for a month. You have every right to determine for yourself what is superior, but I don't see it.


What you will *likely* get.
What you "can" get has very little basis in terms of what you will likely get. You will likely get nothing because you will likely use all of the free satoshi to gamble with and then when that isn't enough you will likely gamble with your own BTC and then lose it too. That is why this site still exists, because it still earns. If it did not, then the site would no longer be here and the only way it can earn is when it takes BTC from players that keep losing at gambling.

What you are unlikely to win
The opposite of what is likely, is that you will win. But it's very easy to see that the odds are stacked against everyone, and that is how gambling works. That's nothing alarming. Then there is the point of whether or not those claiming to have won really won or not. If I accept it at face value and believe everyone that claims to have won $200 or more, then it's still a small enough number to count on two hands because very few people have made the claim (last I checked, it's been a while). I certainly have my own experience to go by and in that case I have never rolled anything that pays above the minimum and I have never won the lottery and I have never won the hi/lo in a way that kept me ahead unless I just rolled a few times and am willing to accept a few more satoshi (which is safe way to double the minimum for each roll btw.. but you have to stop when ahead and have to be content with a super tiny win) and I have never rolled 8888. Biased? Sure.

What you can be assured to win, conditionally
So what's left? The middle road... the only road that is guaranteed, assuming the site stays up, then that guarantee is the faucet. What can you expect with that... well, with 6 rolls per day over the course of a year, about enough to withdraw 30,000 satoshi (presently), or $2/yr. That's 4380 clicks with one click captcha and 1 click roll. But this isn't how the site was intended to be used, it wasn't intended for everyone to go there and get $2 every year and do nothing else, it is intended to lure gamblers and part them with their money, and in the absence of gamblers it is intended to teach people to be gamblers with the faucet money and then part them with their money.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not telling anyone what to do, when to gamble, when not to gamble, what's fun or not. It's up to each individual to decide whether or not they are entertained and for what reasons. I'm entertained by the perceptions held about this site and pointing out that this site benefits the site owners at a ratio that would probably make any Casino operator in Vegas jealous. If someone can get lucky and win $200 or more, cool, I'm happy for them. But I've never seen proof of a payout of $200 or better. And most people lose money here.

Sorry, you missed a couple of questions. I didn't realize you would be so fast to reply while I was adding to my previous post.


Why are you arguing points that I did not breach while ignoring the point that I did? Both require time and therefore both have a time-value.


If you think that some of the choices you offer are bad, then why do you offer them?

This all sounds so familiar: increase in withdraw requirements, decrease in minimum roll rewards, issues with inaccurate commission payouts that "shouldn't happen". I believe it was late August 2016 when I was asking about these same issues. I was never quite satisfied with the answers.


I would contend that FBC is successful for the same reasons all casinos and gambling sites are successful, because they pull in money and pay out very little in comparison.

And time is not free. In fact, some would even say that time is money. For example, if I login every day and roll 6 times and repeat this every day for about a year then I can finally withdraw a whopping 30,000 satoshi ($2). I find more money than that every week just walking to and from the store picking up change that is dropped on the ground.


True, and pay fees both times. I disagree that this is a good solution.

Send: 0.00025000 (fee: 0.0000113)
Withdraw: 0.00030000 (fee: 0.00003000)
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Total costs:  0.0000413.
Total gain: 0.00005000
Translation in current USD value. It costs 28 cents to withdraw 43 cents. My net gain would be 15 cents. No thanks.


$50 is a heavy premium for the privilege of earning $2 every 6 months.


So for $100 you allow the use of a macro?

Let's see if you ignore this question for a 3rd time:

What exactly qualifies a user as an active user? What is the number of times they have to roll and in what period of time? Does the referrer have to be active too in order to receive referral bonuses?

I still have not seen an answer to the question: "What qualifies a user as an active user". Also, I see that you raised the minimum again, that's twice in the last 2 weeks. Are you just going to raise it every week now?

And to put this in a practical perspective. To be able to withdraw once a week, and assuming an average of 350 satoshi per roll (it's very rare to get more than the lowest tier roll), you would need to roll 14 times per day each week, that means you have to be available once an hour for 14 hours every day. That's a lot of effort for 20 - 25 cents a week.

I'm sure you'll have everyone lined up to give you 10 BTC ($5,700) for a claim of 1 BTC per day that you have failed to prove in your one and only post.  

Much like many of your other posts in which you are trying so hard to avoid the issue, nothing you just said makes any sense at all. It was obvious you didn't want to address this issue when you originally ignored it and it's obvious again in your reply above.

Do me a favor and read the screenshot below, and then convince me that it does not mean what it says... for some reason. Convince me that I'm supposed to ignore that it reads 761 and instead pretend that it means 352 and that the 352 is from a free play... from the night before, despite what it reads there. Exactly what is the purpose of this notice if it means nothing about what it claims?

http://i.imgur.com/P22dQAf.png

Why would ANYONE expect that to mean ANYTHING less than that they just received 761 BTC. It says NOTHING about my last free play which was the night prior. Seriously, why does that message in the screenshot REALLY mean "you earned 352 in your last roll... 8 hours" as you say?

What you have said here means NOTHING because regardless of all that bull, the bottom line is this, the notice said 761, the night before I took a screenshot of my balance and the next day I waited for the week to end, when it ended the notice said that I rec 761 but in reality my total went up by only 352. I don't care what excuse you're giving for the discrepancy in the notice because the bottom line is that my total balance did not rise by the amount stated in the notice which means that the notice of payment is a fabrication.. The results I've posted and your answer above shows there is something wrong here and obviously you don't want to admit it.

The next topic should be your lottery system... lots of people have been asking about it and I don't see any answers from you. How exactly do you determine lottery winners? Why are the winners not updated in live time on your site? What is happening on your end during those hours? How can you prove that your system of selecting a winner is fair?

In a previous reply to me on this thread, you didn't like the idea of showing a user ID, even when it did not connect to a user. Now suddenly you want me to show MY user ID. Why the double standard?


You addressed the non issue and ignored the issue. Furthermore, you don't lead with "first things first" unless you intend to address additional points.  Please address THE FOLLOWING issue, here... I'll repost if for you so as to avoid confusion.

What I had Saturday night:
http://i.imgur.com/S7gcqwh.png

This is the notice of the referral bonus kickback:
http://i.imgur.com/BcF7kXs.png

Which brought me up to this:
http://i.imgur.com/knKMNHp.png

3812 - 3460 = 352. Freebitco is claiming that I received 761 satoshi when in fact I only received 352.

Why is that?

I would like for OP to explain this:

My referrer is claiming to pay 50% bonus back to his referrals. Yesterday I took a screenshot of my last free claim for the week for a total of 3460 Satoshi. I have been active claiming at least once per day. According to the bonus return of 50%, I should have received today, before the payout, an additional 860 Satoshi but when I logged in, the kickback notice said that I only received 761 satoshi. My first thought was that my referrer lied and set his return bonus to 44% instead of 50%.

But then he showed a screenshot of what shows me being paid 872:

http://i.imgur.com/IZKLMvn.png

So then I went back and double checked my numbers:

What I had Saturday night:
http://i.imgur.com/S7gcqwh.png

This is the notice of the referral bonus kickback:
http://i.imgur.com/BcF7kXs.png

Which brought me up to this:
http://i.imgur.com/knKMNHp.png

The 761 that I see conflicts with the 872 that my referrer sees. But then I realized that the difference between my amounts before after the referral return bonus did't look right: 3460 and 3812... that is not a difference of 761. 3812 - 3460 = 352. Freebitco is claiming that I recieved 761 satoshi when in fact I only received 352.

OP, please explain this.

Thank you for the detailed explanation, it was exactly what I was hoping for when I posted my questions. Ref your quote above, is there a site that is generally trusted the most in terms of being able to interpret transactions from the blockchain? Or simply put, which site do you trust the most when looking for transaction details?

So I did a nice trade today and received my first decently sized chunk of BTC (compared to the faucets I've usually been doing) for around $200 BTC and when I clicked the link to verify the transaction on the blockchain, it seems to be showing another transaction apart from mine:

https://blockchain.info/tx/f1478eda31c08d76b4f6daf0d7bdda64eba09556d0f4ca096ea09c3c6f1283e2

Can you tell me... is this from the perspective of the sender and are both transactions from the same sender? What does the /tx/ in the URL stand for? Transaction? I usually see the /address/ URL and I'm not used to this one. Also, when it reads "unspent" I'm assuming that the blockchain has tracked that I have not spent the BTC yet. Is there a way to further track which address the money was sent to once I spend it? What if I spend small portions of it... how does that get tracked?

The lack of announcement on your site is going to alienate some people. The increase in satoshi to claim by casual users is also going to alienate some people, it looks like you're trying to weed out the most casual users. Sure, you're going to retain your loyal users that have been with you for a while, but this is also going to make it harder to fetch and keep referrals, esp when they see that that minimum requirement. When you introduce changes like this and then don't bother to explain why, it looks like you're trying to sneak something by, I daresay that as an operator of a popular website, you knew very well what you were doing when you did NOT announce this change to your user base. Users should not have to chase you down to get details about changes to the site. Something like this should have been explained on the withdraw page. So far my experience with your site has been two handed.... "on the one hand this"... "but on the other hand that". One hand is getting heavier than the other.

These types of threads sure are popular. Here is one very similar to yours, and posted days apart: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588576

I'll believe in this stuff when someone passes the James Randi test and collects their $1,000,000 for proving their psychic abilities. Your "divination" appears to be a cut and paste from other resources, like an online horoscope.

Found here: https://householderjournal.com/2013/10/01/743/

Found here: https://householderjournal.com/category/morals/page/4/

Found here: https://plus.google.com/105572146181962284595/posts/h1WYTJM44oQ

Kind of funny how everyone born on the same day has the same "future" and how the future is always filled with vague concepts that can fit just about anyone.

How is copy and paste from a horoscope site you learning divination? I hope you will forgive me for not tipping you some BTC.

I still want to know why they increased the minimum payout to 34,000 satoshi. There was no notice of this change. The only reason to do this is to prevent auto payout of casual users.

After seeing your post I logged in to see if the minimum cash out had been reduced because last week it was 25000 satoshi, not 10K as you indicated. I was surprised to see that the minimum has increased to 34000. I find it interesting that the new rewards program was promoted, but this minimum increase went through silently.

http://i.imgur.com/KWflW6d.png

How exactly is one determined to be "active" or not? What is active? What is the number of rolls per day or week that determines if someone is "active"?

Do activity requirements extend to the referral only? Does the referrer have to be active to in order to get the referral bonus?

If you're looking for opinions, then I'd rather see a Bitcoin Lottery pool with a focus on some of the large paying lotteries like the California lotteries that pay out 100's of millions. But you would have to start small and build trust over time and be able to convert BTC to $ to buy the tickets.

Of course not, people making extraordinary claims about things that lack evidence for their existence, rarely want to defend them. Good luck with your friends demonstration.

Everyone wonders this, and the answer is because there are no Psychics. No one has ever demonstrated otherwise. When the conditions favor the person claiming to be a Psychic, then it works, but that's because it's a trick, magicians need time to prep. But when put to the test using the scientific method, it fails 100% of the time. The James Randi foundation has been offering one million dollars to anyone that can prove that they have psychic powers, no one has ever managed to prove it, and collect the reward money. Most people won't even accept the challenge, and the few that do, either fail or worse yet, are exposed as frauds. Some of these folks honestly thought they had powers because the ignored all of the other factors that could explain the situation, or in some cases they were just willing to be fooled by their own notions. Requiring a birthdate is the first sign of trickery, which in itself can be very revealing of a person in terms of their generation and what they have been exposed to. The "Psychic" can immediately eliminate many things about someone simply by knowing their birthdate, or their age.

I'd like to imagine that super natural powers exist, it's a fun idea and something for great discussions and entertainment, but I care more for what is true, than I do for what I can imagine.

Ref: James Randi and his $1,000,000.00 challenge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo

That being said, and disregarding my thoughts on the matter. Good on you for offering a free service. However, there are different types of Psychic claims and you might want to pinpoint the one you intend to demonstrate, is it: clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience, or claircognizance? For example shows about Clairvoyance often have the Psychic helping cops to find the body of a murder victim. Which one is your friend demonstrating?