Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 15, 2016, 04:59:20 AM

...
Synereo was launched as a vaporware ICO and the math whiz on the project is Greg Meredith who is into process calculus research and was one of key persons apparently on Microsoft's BizTalk design. Greg is into using Scala and also is collaborating on the math modeling of Ethereum's upcoming, promised Casper design (which btw several of us, excluding smooth, have criticized in the Ethereum Paradox thread for its fundamental insoluble flaws).

You are greatly misinformed here. The technology behind Synereo, Greg's SpecialK, the persistent distributed process calculus machine, had been proven in production for more than two years. They also had the distributed Splicious social networking app prototype of Synereo running on SpecialK. I believe you know all this but continue to repeat that Synereo was vaporware. Why?

I've seen something running on Greg's computer screen in Hangout videos. Is that what you mean? If so, how does that exhibit anything that I can significantly verify. Is there a website I can load now and play around with? How many users are on that social network now?

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

Greg work in process calculus leading BizTalk was also a bases for business process orchestration standards including BPEL, the workhorse of Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) used by enterprises today. Greg disowned BPEL when it deviated from his model limiting its application. But that its the best thing out there we owe in no small party to Greg.

I have no idea what that does and how it has been used. I can't find concise explanations of the use cases and technology. Seems all like technobabble to me and I am reasonably astute in technology.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

Greg work on Casper with Ethereum is the tip of the iceberg of the blockchain research Greg is doing. He has devised architecture capable of thousands of transactions per second. He is leading an evolution of the blockchain that is scalable, objectively fair, incorruptible and mathematically proven. Watch the hangouts, they are awesome. Synereo is blockchain agnostic and it is not planned to have its own blockchain initially, the point of the research is that synereo is guarenteed to scale and will be able to offer blockchain innovations to users in the future.

Ah more technobabble. I already listened to several Hangouts and it was always handwaving. Let him write a technical paper that I and other mere mortals can understand. He hasn't done that.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

Privacy is important to many who would rather not use facebook who will insist their contacts use a private decentralized system nobody owns or controls.

Bwahahaha. Roll Eyes

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

Many users do not want a user experience that is dictated to them without the opportunity to branch their own. Many do not want others to control their streams.

Customization is a potential compelling feature. But you've still got to hurdle the chicken-or-egg dilemma of users not using a social network where their contacts aren't already there. They need a compelling reason to use even if their contacts aren't there.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

If everything was spelled out completely in the original whitepaper they would have had it already and not need any funding. The whitepaper spells out sufficient justification for the approach, not every detail. You are asking for a book, not a whitepaper.

That sort of funding is best raised in an ongoing crowdfunding (not for tokens) and/or private investing from angel investors. By publicly offering an investment security, there will be more demands to make full disclosures.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

If you are suggesting that the average person does not understand what synereo is doing, that's very true. Its quite abstract and the average person or investor isn't going to see the real value it offers without a lot of research and theoretical mathematics. Dumbing it down is one of Synereo's major initiatives currently along with autonomous governance, UX design, etc. It's a BIG job but the community is committed and additional funding opportunities are presenting themselves.

You just admitted that this is technobabble being sold as an investment security (you even mentioned the price going down so you are insinuating it is for investment). Not good. You could get Synereo in legal trouble by admitting that.

Precisely my point is don't go selling investment securities to people they can't understand.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

It you have been following the hangouts or Gregs posts you should know the #tag or "filter" does control perceived REO. A religious evangelist, for example might have high REO with respect to his community, but not mine, due to my #filters. Filters are #hashtags on steroids!.

Good, but again generalized statements/goals are not verifiable technology specifications.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

In the Synereo model, @channel are addresses representing bi-directional channels, while #filters are composable general formal social contracts in a language of decentralized mobile communicating process calculus consisting of only @'s (objects) and #'s (code). Once you see the whole picture is is gorgeous. Everything is type safe and algorithmically verifiable. Program behaviour is formally provable Greg is willing to answer anyone's questions. Don't give up on synerio because it is not one of those shallow ideas that generate a lot of excitement but have no meat behind them.

I have no idea what is provable and what is gameable. I don't trust his magic wand technobabble. It needs peer review. He needs to be able to teach the math to all of us in a way we can reason about it ourself and verify if it is gameable or not. I don't have time to go learn all the foundational research on process calculi.

Quote from: jimscarver on April 15, 2016, 03:12:39 PM

But, I think you know most of this so I really wonder what your motivation is to disparage synereo. You appear to agree with my arguments and then seem to ignore them. If your point is that synereo will not succeed by tomorrow you are correct. The beta will not be for three months. Adoption may start slow but I anticipate exponential growth. Resistance is futile :-p

You need not war with synereo, but thanks for keeping the AMP price low.

Have I not explained my stance now?