Quote from: mrb on February 24, 2013, 07:41:48 AM

Quote from: vdragon on February 23, 2013, 11:26:05 PM

You are simply not getting my line of thinking nor do I get yours.

I am simply showing you that ASICMiner produced 60-40 Ghash/s per $1k, which you doubted was feasible.

Quote from: king_pin on February 24, 2013, 04:46:00 AM

Quote from: mrb on February 23, 2013, 08:06:47 PM

Just wait a little more time for the entire batch 1 of Avalon to be delivered. You will see.

If only I got a penny every time someone told me that, I'd have for a 5770 Cheesy

Every time another Avalon is delivered, you are losing more and more credibility. AFAIK you are the only one claiming that jgarzik, the Foundation, and all others who have received units are "part of the scam". I would be interested to enter in a personal bet with you that batch 1 will be shipped by some date.

If you ask a customer of any kind besides this asic thing, the product not delivered on time is same as product not delivered, theres a delivery date for a reason. Heres why. 6 months ago, a 7950 graphics card costed me 290 euro. Now it costs 215 euro for same card. If I said to you, give me the money and I will deliver in 2 days, and than deliver in 6 months, what would you say? If I dont want to return the money you would most likely sue, and I would be out of shitload of money for lawyers and stuff because I cant win that. I am in a no way telling that Jeff Garzik is a scammer, he received it, and done a review. But what a scammer would do is exactly what happend. Deliver 2 items to the leading people in bitcoin community, and then sell batch 2 in a record time. I suppose they will deliver few more, batch 3 rolls out. Batch 1 should have been here a long time ago... Sure they will be delivered at some point, just not yet

. They are already late few months, I am sure you wont mind few more

. As I see, Basic is the smartest. He is returning the money in btc, in usd value. So if he held onto btc since summer, btc went up 3 times, he gets to become as clean as a newborn child, and getting to hold 60% of the money. And people are also happy because they are getting at least something.

Anyway if you want to continue the discussion about this we can do it in private, no use of it here.

I live in a country where these kind of scams are performed at a much higher level, politicians do that here and there, and they do everything by the rules, so no law agency can touch them ...