Quote from: Waradlain on September 12, 2022, 04:50:26 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on September 12, 2022, 07:33:09 AM

Quote from: Chripto on September 12, 2022, 06:37:36 AM

If the war ends, Ukraine will join the Nato and earn support payments to rebuild its economy due to the fact, that the EU is depending on ukrainian goods such as wheat and oil.

Isnt NATO representatives already claimed that Ukraine is not ready for joining NATO, as Ukraine does not fully meet European standards yet? I am a bit far from Ukraine joining NATO discussion, but last thing I remembered, was there several months ago there was a meeting of NATO countries and it seems they are not waiting for Ukraine in their union. As to wheat and oil - does Ukraine support Europe that much, that Europe would give billions to rebuild destroyed economy? Europe is not short of wheat deliveries from Ukraine, but so far there is no such huge shortage and wheat crisis in Europe, that will make people crazy.

There is no such thing as standards for a country to join NATO. Ive been to Albania and Macedonia many times, these are great countries, but if we consider the reasons for accepting them into NATO, it has nothing to do with thefact that they suddenly began to meet some standards. This is a purely political decision. If there is a decision your accepted, no decision your not. If such a decision is made, Angola will be in NATO within a month.
When the war ends, Ukraine should offer NATO to join Ukraine. Insisting on some reforms within NATO, for example, throwing the fuck out Hungary would be definitely one of them. Germany doesn't have shit so need to get rid of it too.

>does Ukraine support Europe that much
You don't understand the major point. In fact, Europe owes Ukrainians all the things and without any conditions. Because democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric. If they said "Never again", they should prove it. If they said that democracy and values are important, they should prove it. Otherwise, the line between Putin's rubbish and the proud statements of the West is blurred.

Germany committed €3,1B the 3rd after US and UK and you want to kick it out of NATO Grin

Ever heard the saying, don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and careful what you wish for? I can't think of a worse outcome for EU and UA if Germany decides to leave NATO this winter, it would probably be Putin's wet dream too.

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Democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric?

Ohh naïve child, I take it you don't really follow world geopolitics much, or studied world history? I really don't have the courage to burst your bubble, but trust me you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.

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Macron Says NATO Is Experiencing ‘Brain Death’ Because of Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/macron-nato-brain-death.html

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Trump also said he could see France “breaking off” from the Western military alliance.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/03/trump-says-macrons-comments-on-nato-were-very-disrespectful.html

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Trump says 'America is going to hell', alludes to 2024 run for presidency at PA rally

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-america-is-going-to-hell-alludes-to-2024-run-for-presidency-at-pa-rally/ar-AA11r7nZ

How much do you think EU is watching US's midterm elections that'll happen in November? And what happens if/when? Biden's party (democrats) loose the congress to republicans (Trump's party) as projected?

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The European Union and United States have ramped up buying key industrial metals from Russia, data showed, despite logistical problems spurred by the war in Ukraine and tough talk about starving Moscow of foreign exchange revenue
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EU and U.S. imports of Russia's main base metal products aluminium and nickel during March-June increased by as much as 70%, official trade data compiled by Reuters from the United Nations Comtrade database show.
The total value of EU and U.S. imports of the two metals from March to June were $1.98 billion, the data showed.
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"We know from commodity traders it's mainly a question of the price. It's not so much about some politician not wanting you to buy, but is there a deal here."
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During the four months following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the EU was the biggest importer of unwrought aluminium from Russia, pulling in an average of 78,207 tonnes a month in March-June, 13% more than the same period last year.
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U.S. monthly imports of Russian aluminium averaged 23,049 tonnes in March-June, up 21% from the same period last year.
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Nickel imports from Russia by the top three destinations in March-June rose 17% year-on-year.
The United States saw the biggest gains, surging 70% compared to last year, while EU shipments gained 22%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-america-is-going-to-hell-alludes-to-2024-run-for-presidency-at-pa-rally/ar-AA11r7nZ