Re: WasabiWallet.io | Open-source, non-custodial Bitcoin Wallet for desktop
How are JoinMarket coinjoins superior to WabiSabi coinjoins?
Apart from funding mass surveillance, reusing addresses and identifiable outputs as mentioned above, JoinMarket coinjoins are also not in the fate of one authority. It's meant to be decentralized, whereas in Wasabi there is just one coordinator with the overwhelming liquidity. What identifiable outputs? A WabiSabi coinjoin makes all outputs private as long as it is not a whale.
Yeah, I said "Bitcoin UTXOs", there's nothing you needed to clarify about my statement
I do. You think that the UTXO is the currency. The currency is one property of the UTXO, not the UTXO itself. If you say "Pay me 1 BTC" and I send you 100,000 UTXOs for 0.00001000 BTC each, would you consider those UTXOs I sent equal to a single 1 BTC UTXO payment?
I didn't deliberately misunderstand, your claim was simply wrong:
My claim wasn't wrong. I don't know the moral history of the inputs I sign when making a CoinJoin, I don't know the people who own the inputs, I'm neither supposed to spy them nor to look on their blockchain history. I'm only looking for liquidity to obfuscate mine. Like I said, the claim that coinjoin participants don't know each other is false. Your personal decision to ignore the addresses used by the other participants does not mean the other participants will choose to ignore your address.
Items can be considered fungible if any single unit has the same market value as any other unit without further inquiry about its origin, destination, or unique attributes.
So claiming your project makes the currency fungible is false, because you will never accomplish this goal if you deny certain UTXOs; if some are not allowed, then there will always be some coins whose history can be identified. You only want to conceal the history of the units you approve, not the history of all units, so you will never achieve making it fungible, according to your definition of fungibility of course. Where did I claim fungibility is my goal?... My goal is to achieve privacy, and Wasabi performs privacy perfectly.
Go on, tell me how Wasabi coinjoins are "critically flawed".
Oh, my bad! Apparently coinjoins failing completely at what they are designed to do and having outputs which can be 100% linked to specific inputs is not a flaw. 
I ALREADY PROVED YOUR CLAIM THAT THIS SORT OF LINKING IS POSSIBLE TO BE A LIE:
You don't need to be a "whale" at all in order to receive absolutely zero privacy from a Wasabi coinjoin.
You are just posting nonsense trying to distract from the fact I proved you wrong by posting a non whale non matching output that you were not able to trace: bc1qrmmypw3g2ds4aqgh3nqc59qhdp9qk779x2zlru
So your argument boils down to "I can show you some examples which cannot be deanonymized, therefore all your examples of Wasabi coinjoins failing spectacularly are moot". Seriously?Hey guys, only 5% of our cars randomly explode and kill the driver, so they are perfectly safe!
Okay then, I'll call your bluff again- Here's 20 non whale non matching outputs from WabiSabi coinjoins, try to identify the inputs owned by even a single one of the 20 outputs (which would be 5%):
01 bc1q032caguldmlrrztmrwhv5wqveyywdu2rtmd740
02 bc1q6vgwhsfkg343mmh27vc6prg3clsd4xu3p68vyd
03 bc1qre8jjpu8p9taw8j44r39z56vfr4sw64d4wyaj4
04 bc1qarharg76gfcrvskfw46f67vtqzd6hxa9pnspp5
05 bc1q4sexgt2p96x3ytnjjttp59w6mkj00kedal3xze
06 bc1qwrf50wpjws5mhdg2rhdu5hy7nqdtl8z94lp75n
07 bc1qz0tal2udfpr20x793fdw6v8lzp2qze7z5zje64
08 bc1qqw2h7fa3n8vyxgqru664fmft2trl9sqh9kz3fp
09 bc1qsud748whmum4gpt2qu52z8gqlgzcjyvhd5w2a5
10 bc1qctvxddyvxupjj8w82m8w5grzn59arstlrnaauw
11 bc1qq2fl05cmmhkr3pzg8elyr859v2fpcltynrk2j5
12 bc1qvwkrd3aecrvql5j8mqkmketvw6g6qwzt4juprq
13 bc1qhc2565fac4lrgyfq6n0mzc0l86jeptfnv2um9x
14 bc1qat6445gutyl3qdz3zhmdng9cdt92mevjlvaljs
15 bc1qk5f3mz0fetccey4nyyjedlrmqstkz2hmun96ha
16 bc1q4tpvm378a9d4n0xcnjtwfwujtr8eatjzvru8dx
17 bc1qd5epyjpj6vuejdppj24wew5n4n5rzepjx2xnay
18 bc1qgafud63me5mffn00g90ch08jjn5h20umzwxd62
19 bc1q5u3f2ldrtqa7ea79a8hcd8kssgw2gmalk4uej9
20 bc1qa6n7g7r4j3nv78gzgzmuvg56em4guppckqpz7r
Why does it matter if a coordinator buys data from someone else?
Lol. You have already made it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no issue whatsoever with a so called "privacy" solution actively funding blockchain analysis, mass surveillance, and censorship. In any rational persons' book, these things are mutually exclusive. Again, I'm going to remind everyone that this is a malicious lie: You cannot surveil Wasabi Wallet users, they are made completely private due to Tor and client side block filters.