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Other topic was locked while I was typing. But still, I wanted to publish it, so I do it here as it's most related topic:

Quote from: OgNasty on June 05, 2025, 07:19:39 PM

Attacking targets that are only available because the “enemy” is following nuclear treaties is one of the more cowardly war moves I’ve seen. Leave it to Ukraine to have done it right before peace talks while asking for a ceasefire. I’m having a tough time sympathizing with them. They seem to be begging for Russia to respond with nuclear weapons.

I'm not really sure how attacking targets which are used against you is coward move? These bombers were used in massive missiles attack on Ukraine. This is the most legitimate targets - Ukraine has right to defend themselves. It's not like attacking civilian or critical infrastructure.
BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.

Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/ukraine-russia-trump-drones/683043/

Donald Trump has openly vented in recent weeks about Putin’s unwillingness to end the war. But since Sunday’s attack, which hit a series of Russian military airfields, the president has privately expressed frustration that the strike could escalate the conflict, according to three administration officials and an outside adviser to the White House. (They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.)
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.

Look at the bigger picture (macro). Problem with that is that it's a clear indication that Zelenskii doesn't want to end this now and wants Ukraine to continue fighting. Doubling down naturally also raises risks and moves this into all or nothing stage. This means further deterioration in financial, political, and manpower positions on both sides. Not much politics happening in Russia and Ukraine, so short term the political risks fall on Europe. We see more and more right-wing nationalists coming into power (Poland) putting further pressure on the whole concept of EU, who benefits from this? Finances in Ukraine are non existent, so financial risks also fall on Europe further reducing the wealth of its citizens. So not much for Europeans to be happy about. Financial aspect also effects Russia, but Russians overall have a much higher tolerance for reduced buying capacity and I don't think anyone foresees food shortages in this day and age. Manpower is obvious, 4-1 difference in population thus the "to the last Ukrainian" cliche.

Quote from: https://www.axios.com/2025/06/05/trump-russia-ukraine-fighting-school-children

President Trump compared Russia and Ukraine with "children fighting in the park" on Thursday and suggested it might be better to let them keep on fighting for a while. Why it matters: Trump's remarks were another signal that he thinks Russia and Ukraine aren't ready to make peace, and that he's considering stepping back from his initiative to convince them to do so.

Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.

But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.

Trump sees what's going on and indicates that he wants to step back and let "Russia and Ukraine fight it out a while longer". Trump cannot be any clearer in his intent to distance from this conflict, so those risks wouldn't effect US. Once again who benefits from this the most? I couldn't find a single angle where Ukrainian people would stand to benefit, they're just getting completely fucked and cannot do anything about it, it's a shame but that's the role of a sacrificial pawn.

One would need complete lack of critical thinking and a lobotomy to believe that Ukrainian intelligence went from total incompetence to some super advanced unit capable of pulling the most sophisticated attacks on a territory of another country that even major powers wouldn't risk of attempting, all in just three years. While we're supposed to believe that European intelligence services are all incompetent clowns, unable to even change a light bulb or for three years cannot figure out who's responsible for committing the largest sabotage inside of Europe Roll Eyes

everyone totally believes that right?

Trump finally passed the "Ruzzian diplomacy" 101 test. Took him just a few months as the average student he is.

1. Trump is not distancing himself from the conflict. The interpretation is simple: he finally figured out that Ukraine and Ruzzia have differences that cannot be solved by compromise, thus, they both need to destroy each other until a military based conculsion.

If you ask me, Ukraine is going to step up the attack on assets that Ruzzia cannot afford to loose. Critical aviation, critical infrastructure, oil industry... And there is no other way to play this, because Ruzzia and particularly Putin have painted themselves into a corner with his military and his society in which only surrender is acceptable.

To "Unpaint", the military and Ruzzian society must be "convinced" that they may loose critical assets that will make them Â (again, the military) specifically be afraid of loosing power, influence and deterrence.

This is what you get after decades of convincing your population that you are stronger than you really are, that conflicts are solved simply by proving who is stronger and that Ruzzia has some elemental right (God given or the like) to dominate over others.

Of course it takes time to change that inertia and oftentimes required a crisis.

2. Ukraine has always been revceiving intelligence from the US and to a point from EU. Nothing new.

You're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud. But yes, I agree that that was the plan by Boris and initial US delegation to Ukraine with their cookies, get the slavs to fight each other. What i don't get is Ukrainian politicians, are they in on this and willingly sacrificing their people, or are they really so incompetent that they don't see that they're just being used?

We do all realize what the military based conclusion of Ukraine vs Russia means though, right? The weakest links in Russia were always financial (sanctions) and political (isolation) if the hope is now to win Russia militarily then a blind sees the outcome.

It's a shame really, Ukraine had an option, even supported by US, to end this but they're now forced to really go "to the last Ukrainian" Cry

Quote from: montaga on Today at 04:42:48 PM

If Crimean Bridge gets completely destroyed Russia most likey also has a Civil War to deal with, with the Crimea nation/ Crimea native people.
Civil War is not fought with iskander and nukes.
https://x.com/qirimlia
If anyone thinks there will be peace with a ethnically Russian Crimea, lives in fantasy world.

As of 2021 76,4% of people in Crimea were Russian, 12,7% Crimean Tatars Â and 7,7% Ukrainians guess what happened to the demographics since then, but keep peddling hope to get just a bit more souls for busification to the front lines. Plus you do realize that the bridge is not the only path to Crimea now, and Russia has a path over land where they're even building train tracks or facts don't really matter to you in your search for more souls?

Nope, what I have said is that Trump has reached that conclusion, not that it is my idea, nor my desired outcome nor that it came from anywhere. What I did say is that the Ruzzian brainwashing and actitude towards all the surrounding nationalities drives a violent and inhuman behaviour based on a supremacist concept. I find it amusing that Ruzzia call Nazis here and there so happily, when they have all the characteristics of a Nazi government.

Look, if you think all this came from Boris (and I am not going to defend this guy), then why did Ruzzia just followed through to the "trap"? May it be that they got it wrong? That Ukraine was not so easy? Explanation: see just above.

But that is not something that can be changed quickly here and now, so if Ruzzia can only accept an inconditional surrender... well, there seems to be war for a few more years. Again, stating facts, not my wishes.