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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

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No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
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Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

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Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

Zelenskyy said multiple times that Ukrainian constitution prohibits presidential elections during martial's law. That is not factually correct. Best argument i heard is that it's just an oversight, as Ukrainian constitution does prohibit parliament elections during martial's law but as an oopsy completely forgot about the president, which is weak at best Undecided

I believe i don't have to provide quotes from Trump which turned out to be false right?

So your point?

I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.

I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
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In Gaza... you mean Israel attacking Gaza is the same as Ruzzia invading Ukraine... sorry I am unable to even follow your logic.

The reason is again your mindset. You believe in empires, blocks, influence, the supremacy of Ruzzians (or at least some of them), ... You have a hammer and everything looks like a nail to you.

Nope, you are actually trying to break the Ukranian law. I already quoted and described he relevant articles, why are those in Ukranian constitution and how they have the effect of not allowing elections during war.

You are absolutely obsesed with elections in Ukraine assuming that Ruzzian influence and bribes would somehow hand the victory that Putin is unable to get in the fields. Do not take as a certainty at all.

It's not the same but similar. Just highlighting the double standards, we have two military conflicts in the world, in one Ukrainians are encouraged to relocate and are always free to leave yet millions choose to take the chance of surviving through changing front lines to become full citizens of Russia with full rights. Despite being larger in scale, more weapons deployed more bombs/missiles launched, more cities and land taken, and running longer collateral damage in Ukraine is minimal compared to military deaths and lower in absolutes than in Gaza. In another Gazans are starved, have no rights, international humanitarian organizations are prohibited from accessing or helping them and collateral damage is over 50% and higher than in Ukraine even in absolutes. Despite all international humanitarian organizations criticize Israel overwhelmingly more that Russia, the "west" condemns Russia but supports and sends more weapons to Israel. If this is not realpolitiks and about influences i don't know what is.

Your quoted articles force reader to take a huge leaps on interpretation of constitution vs what is actually written. To believe what you claim one has to make two ridiculous assumptions, first is that of omission, that despite specifically saying that elections for parliament are suspended during martial's law, constitution just forgot to say the same about the president oops? And second that the fundamental right of self determination falls under sweeping "some" rights clause (if that's the case then what rights don't qualify under "some rights") Huh

Not obsessed at all, just once again underlying the hypocrisy and selective application of the rule of law.
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law