Quote from: farsky on Today at 08:11:51 PM

again Gaza...
I regret reading this, but now I can't keep quiet

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 06:50:42 PM

in one Ukrainians are encouraged to relocate

What nonsense, what kind of "encouragement for resettlement" are we talking about?

Are you not aware that Ukrainians issue evacuation orders for cities coming on the front lines, they even try to force people to evacuate but millions of civilians still stay and then become Russian citizens.

Mandatory evacuation of families with children begins in Donetsk Oblast

Quote from: farsky on Today at 08:11:51 PM

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millions choose to take the chance of surviving through changing front lines

millions? do you have exact data?
it seems you have read too much propaganda of Putin's regime.
In fact, millions of Ukrainians are fleeing to Europe from the war.
only those who truly believe that Russia will bring order, peace and happiness remain... such are a minority.

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to become full citizens of Russia with full rights

naive nonsense. besides, it is not true.
Ukrainians who remained on the Russian side are at least not considered full citizens. In the past (at the beginning of the war) Russia carried out mobilization (on the captured territory) among those who decided to become "full citizens". Those who are too young are prepared for service in the Russian army, most likely they will be sent to war.
Besides, the captured lands are in ruins, there is no water or electricity.

Obviously there is no exact data, Ukraine wouldn't release it. A minority? Please cite your claims. How many did you think there were?

As of 2024, Russia occupies almost 20% of Ukraine and about 3 to 3.5 million Ukrainians are estimated to be living under occupation;

What makes them not "full citizens" are you claiming that "full" Russian citizens were not mobilized as well? Citation or just spreading propaganda?

Cite something to back up your claim that there is "no water or electricity" in Crimea, Mariupol, Melitopol in comparison to Ukrainian cities, or stop spreading propaganda.

Quote from: farsky on Today at 08:11:51 PM

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collateral damage in Ukraine is minimal compared to military deaths and lower in absolutes than in Gaza.

This is already a blatant lie. In Ukraine, dozens of small towns have been destroyed, together exceeding the area of Gaza.
In Gaza, about 185 square kilometers are destroyed. In Ukraine (counting only the immediate combat zone), the scale of destruction is about 300 square kilometers — and that’s just medium-sized towns.
On top of that, there are countless villages. And there is also destruction in cities far from the front lines that are still hit by Russian missiles.
In total, this adds up to about 900 square kilometers — 2.4 times larger than Gaza.
There is not a single city in Ukraine that has not been shelled. This is not a border skirmish, it is a full-scale war.

Nature and open land have also been devastated: fields, forests, shelterbelts, roads, bridges, and dams destroyed.

Your ignorance is catastrophic. I strongly advise you not to get into topics you clearly don’t understand.

Thank you for proving my point, despite such huge land destruction, somehow Russia amazing still managed to keep civilian casualties to a minimum.

Ukraine-HRMMU has documented the deaths of at least 13,883 civilians, including 726 children

Gaza-24,818 men 9,126 women 17,121 children and 4,137 elderly

Only 23 times as many children died in Gaza by western weapons as did in Ukraine. But hey lets send more money and weapons to Israel and create more content how Russia is killing civilians, maybe they can get the killed children ration to 25x

Edit: How much does the "west" benefited from arms sales to Israel? And after that you believe it has any moral stance to lecture Russia?

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Quote from: DaRude on Today at 08:18:27 PM

How nice to totally ignore the Bucharest NATO summit, where in April 2008 USA wanted Georgia to join NATO, which would've been impossible with disputed territories in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Then, just 4 months later Georgia ~~attacks~~ sends it's army to take over South Ossetia by force, is all just a total coincidence, not even worth mentioning for "full data", right? Roll Eyes

2 questions 4 U
A sovereign country wishes to join the Nato is a reason you justify occupation?
Why did Russia not enter Finland?

We've been over this, there are double standards at play, look at excessive deaths in Cuba since it wanted to cooperate with Soviet Union. How many do you reckon would die if Mexico decided to join a military alliance with China because it was profitable for them? What happened in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq? So short answer hypocrisy and realpolitiks, and it's not Russia who made the mockery of the international law, unfortunately it just follows. Can't run by the rules if the person ahead of you constantly breaking rules and no one cares.