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Re: CAREFUL !! BITCOINTALK AND CASINOS SUPPORT EACH OTHER
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 21:21:15 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 08:15:34 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA you are so ignorant that you think that in Spain they only speak Spanish, you should go out a little more and stop looking at so many forums, you need to get some fresh air and see the world a little more, get out of the 4 walls you're stuck in, it's hurting you. Stop looking at so many forums and live real life. Your mind will thank you. 

At least you're honest when your bio says you're an asshole, you're quite right, you're a real asshole 😂

Well, I am sure some other language is also being spoken in Spain, not just Spanish, here and there, in the mixture. After all, bilingual is not something special anymore. English, perhaps. But that's beside the point I am trying to confirm.

If I may try to make it clear, the Instagram account you claimed to be yours, which you threaten to use as an extortion attempt, it's all in Spanish, so, that's a yes, you're a resident of Spain?

Friend, go out into the street, then in the news there are cases of people who kill their relatives, and they become psychopaths due to the lack of socializing with real people, believe me, stop scamming on the forum for a few days, it will do your mind good, do it for yourself, love yourself more.

Yet still not answering the question, where the evasion and insults [that's thrown to a deaf ear and thick skin, which kinda useless] only make the suspicion grows exponentially.

If it is rather hard for you to understand the point being asked, kindly answer with a yes or no for the following question: are you a Spanish resident?

Friend I am from the same country of Chapó Guzmán, see if you have culture and right, if the casino accepted the kyc and my profile was perfectly verified, if I lived in a country not accepted by BC.Game I would not accept the KYC, also supposedly your false contact that you say you must have all my information, but we all know that you suffer from mental problems and your contacts are only in your Schizophrenic thoughts
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Re: CAREFUL !! BITCOINTALK AND CASINOS SUPPORT EACH OTHER
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:44:48 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 08:15:34 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA you are so ignorant that you think that in Spain they only speak Spanish, you should go out a little more and stop looking at so many forums, you need to get some fresh air and see the world a little more, get out of the 4 walls you're stuck in, it's hurting you. Stop looking at so many forums and live real life. Your mind will thank you. 

At least you're honest when your bio says you're an asshole, you're quite right, you're a real asshole 😂

Well, I am sure some other language is also being spoken in Spain, not just Spanish, here and there, in the mixture. After all, bilingual is not something special anymore. English, perhaps. But that's beside the point I am trying to confirm.

If I may try to make it clear, the Instagram account you claimed to be yours, which you threaten to use as an extortion attempt, it's all in Spanish, so, that's a yes, you're a resident of Spain?

Friend, go out into the street, then in the news there are cases of people who kill their relatives, and they become psychopaths due to the lack of socializing with real people, believe me, stop scamming on the forum for a few days, it will do your mind good, do it for yourself, love yourself more.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:36:51 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 08:10:22 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 07:49:33 PM
And as I said, I with his UID, I can remedy that, if that's what you want. But let me try to get it without his UID, given you logically won't share it. I'll ask my contact to reach the compliance to do another sweep and ensure every other connected accounts are locked, if that'll make you happy.

Do you think it sounds mafia when you say my contact? you are one of the funniest scammers on the forum

Uhh... I don't think it sounded like anything. Like... they're literally that: my contacts. Some people that work on BC, who happen to be assigned to be reachable by me when a case against BC raised, so we can get it sorted out faster. And that's it. Hence, "my contact". Mafia? I think you watched way too many Spanish soap opera.

I am analyzing your mode of operation in all the posts you comment on and something tells me that you are hiding something dark behind it, I will be investigating you in more depth.
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Re: we88 stole my profit 5400 myr ( ≈1200usd )
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:27:26 UTC
Quote from: olixirisug69 on February 09, 2025, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: memehunter on February 09, 2025, 11:12:52 AM
Uploading the image posted by OP;
OP can you give us screenshots of your bets placed? This can be crucial in terms of proving your accusations. Clearly, the casino in question is accusing you of some exploit (as per my inference of the email and tonality) and you have to prove (yes, unfortunately, the onus is on you) that you have not gained any edge through illegal means.   

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/09/e7MFa.png

 

it's all funny how everyone is trying to defend this casino that hasn't even paid out all my deposits, I can't send you screenshots of my bets, I don't have access to the casino.

Friend. The people on the forum work for the casinos, they will make it seem like you are the one who did things wrong, they are all in cahoots to scam you, try to scam you, the same thing happened to me, the casino sponsors bitcointalk and most of these rat men users sponsor them in their signatures, don't believe anything they tell you, they are just as scammers as the casinos.
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Re: CAREFUL !! BITCOINTALK AND CASINOS SUPPORT EACH OTHER
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:15:34 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 08:07:22 PM
Your case has been attended and explained by BC.Game Support themselves following my discussion with my contact, bringing this to their awareness and get them to look into the details of your account. The in-depth discussion about this can be read on your "main thread". I am moving this post from your second thread as it is a bit redundant to have two thread about same case in the same board and bring it here as it has a better chance of being considered as a "different" situation, where it talked about BC's reputation, in regards of your scam accusation [though basically it's still potato pohtahto]

Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 04:42:03 AM
Hello, I registered at BC Game and with the welcome bonus I won 560 dollars after weeks of effort to unlock it, but at the time of withdrawing it they blocked my account, and when I want to log in I get an error that says "Error 4001: Account verification required". But my account is KYC verified. Everything was going perfectly, they let me make the deposits I wanted without problems, but the moment I hit the withdraw button, SURPRISE they kicked me out of the account and never let me log in again, I opened another post explaining my problem and the son of a bitch from bc game support dares to lie to my face telling me that they kicked me out of the account right when I hit the withdraw button because I used a disposable email and made multiple deposits to get several bonuses. First, I only made a deposit on the platform, second, my email was an original gmail and it was not a disposable email, they are lying scammers, every day I will open a post dedicated to them and I don't care if they tell me that this is unethical on my part, but I feel so scammed that dedicating a post every day explaining my case is the right thing to do, so that the same thing happens to no one. I will also make a negative review every day on trustpilot, and I will publish it daily on my famous Instagram account @humorcontagioso, in addition to publishing it in all possible telegram groups. BC GAME YOU HAVE STOLEN 560 DOLLARS FROM ME BUT CALM, I'M SURE THAT THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR YOU WILL LOSE SOME CUSTOMER THAT ANOTHER ONE WILL LOSE DUE TO MY POST ALL OVER THE INTERNET

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Umm... I am not well versed in that language, but is that Spanish? Were you an ES resident? Might be wise to point out that Spain is one of the restricted territory, so that'll be another breach of ToS.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/02/13/q2yZc.jpeg

HAHAHAHAHAHA you are so ignorant that you think that in Spain they only speak Spanish, you should go out a little more and stop looking at so many forums, you need to get some fresh air and see the world a little more, get out of the 4 walls you're stuck in, it's hurting you. Stop looking at so many forums and live real life. Your mind will thank you.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:06:53 UTC
Quote from: LEVSKI7 on Today at 07:56:36 PM
The site is a scam, I say based on the many complaints and scammed people
from a legal point of view, it doesn't matter how many accounts there are from one IP
each account is verified before deposit and not before withdrawal.these scum make up some illegal rules to cheat people

You're right, it's totally counterproductive. But what are we going to expect from a scam casino.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 20:00:33 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 05:51:38 PM
If you don't mind to share me his UID, I can tell my contact to block it too. Perhaps it got missed when they purged the rest of the other accounts. We can easily fix this. Thank you for your cooperation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow they forgot to delete my son's account, who is the one who lost the money, but they didn't forget mine, which is the one who made money, right? 😏 at least you made me smile, at least you're a funny scammer. every time they say something to defend the casino they leave it in a worse place, it's better to keep quiet, your bc game bosses must not be happy

And as I said, I with his UID, I can remedy that, if that's what you want. But let me try to get it without his UID, given you logically won't share it. I'll ask my contact to reach the compliance to do another sweep and ensure every other connected accounts are locked, if that'll make you happy.

Do you think it sounds mafia when you say my contact? you are one of the funniest scammers on the forum
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Re: CAREFUL !! BITCOINTALK AND CASINOS SUPPORT EACH OTHER
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 19:24:54 UTC
HAHAHA it's funny that all those who are commenting on the post are sponsoring the casinos in their signatures, it's as if I were admitting that a relative of mine committed a crime.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 19:16:52 UTC
Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 11:00:27 AM
Don't worry guys, your BC Game boss will be proud of you, you're doing a good job defending them so well, but don't worry, I'll take the law into my own hands. The email was original from Gmail, secondly they tricked me by saying that I made several deposits, Mr. BC Game Support, can you send me the screenshots of what you are accusing me of to my Gmail? My son never connected with the same IP as me. and to everyone on the forum you are covering up a scam, you will pay for it

Uhh... let me straighten up one thing about AHOY here, since I somewhat get the impression that your post referred to him and you're sure he's with BC. First of all, allow me to thank you because you made me smile, genuinely smile while shaking my head for the level of silly-ness of the post. Second, I can vouch that AHOY is a frenemy of BC, whose posts about the casino would most certainly disqualify him to be employed and receive any appraisal by BC's boss [whoever he is, since even I never met him]. He's fair, though, when BC did good things, he won't shy from admitting it, but yeah... all sign on this thread points to an abuse.

If not the weird email address [if that's your primary email, I am applauding your ability to memorize things], then at least the fact that you and "your son" played from same IP.

Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 11:51:41 AM
BC Game motherfuckers, why don't you delete my son's account? If he supposedly broke the rules too, maybe it's because he's losing money at the casino? You tremendous sons of bitches who are scammers, you deserve death, don't worry, everything will come, I will take care of it through spiritual means to fix this. ⛧

If you don't mind to share me his UID, I can tell my contact to block it too. Perhaps it got missed when they purged the rest of the other accounts. We can easily fix this. Thank you for your cooperation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow they forgot to delete my son's account, who is the one who lost the money, but they didn't forget mine, which is the one who made money, right? 😏 at least you made me smile, at least you're a funny scammer. every time they say something to defend the casino they leave it in a worse place, it's better to keep quiet, your bc game bosses must not be happy
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 14:41:36 UTC
Quote from: Woodie on Today at 02:38:27 PM
When you bring a scam accusation for the forum to deliberate on, the burden of proof is on you the accuser that is why a template of how to report a scam exists!

But to come here and say that the Bitcointalk community and casino are together whatever that means is wrong! FYI the same community you accuse for collusion has actually helped a lot of people to get a fair judgement from casinos,  but being loud and throwing mud at everything won't help you. Follow the guidelines of how this should be reported and avoid repeating the same issue as it will be regarded as spam, good luck.

Can you stop always saying the same thing and look at my messages, or is the scam so obvious that you can't say anything else? and you have to handle the topic in another way since you are not interested in giving me a logical answer.
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 14:32:23 UTC
Quote from: GxSTxV on Today at 02:22:47 PM
To be honest, all I see here is bullshit and nonsense, it's like you are all alone trying to create an accusation case, repeatedly saying Bc.game casino hs scammed you for reason that you couldn't even share yet here. You have got an answer for the reason why your posts were deleted by the moderators.
Nobody is seeing any screenshots or even know what actually happened. In few words you can explain the reason why you think this casino have scammed you, did your account got banned? You didn't receive your withdrawal? You believe that the results of a specific gave is not fair and have proofs of manipulation?

I didn't have to reply to you and explain all of this because certainly you have already received the same answer from users in your previous topic. I only want you to calm down, write something meaningful, explain your case, share evidence rather than empty accusations and cursing others when they try to help you out.

I already explained everything in detail in another post but the users of this forum dedicated themselves to making fun of the characters in my email, I gave all the necessary proof, but the casino says to use several deposits to receive several bonuses and that mine and my son's account does not comply with the rules, but guess which was the only account they deleted? only mine, which was the one that was making money, my son's account is still active and according to them he also broke the rules but since my son is not positive in the casino it is not convenient for them to close his account, I just want the casino to prove me with proof of what they accuse me of, because I am 100% sure that they have deceived me in the two points of their verdict, 1 - my email is an original gmail and it was not a disposable email, 2 - the casino says to use several deposits to receive several bonuses, they lie since I did not make deposits. Why doesn't the casino send me the evidence of what it accuses me of? Can someone from this forum understand me? I know you work for casinos but you must also understand me
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 14:11:57 UTC
Quote from: CryptSafe on Today at 02:00:24 PM
OP, I understand that you are aggrieved and looking for a solution to your case but the way and manner in which you started the whole thing was not the right way, you started by spamming the platform which ordinarily you would have been nuked but the mods and admins did not get themselves bother with it, you claimed the platform supports the casino you complain of but I will ask you this question, have you taken your time to read through this board and see numerous cases of complaints between members and casinos been resolved as quickly as possible? they presented proof/evidence that reputable members used to approach the casino and after much investigation, the casinos were quick to release their money held down, have you taken your time to read through? Where are your substantial facts/evidence to back up your claims?

You can not begin a talk of blackmail against this platform when the facts are there and visible for all to see how this platform has been of help to many gamblers who have been able to get their cases resolved through the intervention of reputable members of the platform. OP I will advise you to take caution on the path you are treading upon.

Son of a bitch, you dare to talk to me with good models now and in my other post you and everyone made fun of the format of my email.
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 13:16:58 UTC
Quote from: Maslate on Today at 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Maslate on Today at 11:13:40 AM
You're wrong with your assumption because even if many members here promote casinos through their signatures, they would support a scam accusation if the right proof is provided, so if you have posted valid evidence, I don't think the community will refuse to support it.

I have even seen some casinos in the past that were promoted by members, but when those casinos gained negative trust, the members stopped promoting them. That's proof that we don't tolerate casinos involved in shady practices, and we have some DT members here who are checking to see if the accusation is valid, so make sure you follow the scam accusation format because evidence really matters.

Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 10:52:06 AM
A FEW HOURS AGO I PUBLISHED THIS SAME POST AND A BITCOINTALK ADMINISTRATOR DELETED MY POST, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN USERS KNOWING THIS! PLEASE SHARE EVERYTHING


It was deleted because you were spamming.

stop fooling, the post was just like this one, at no time did I spam. scammers and liars. I uploaded the screenshot with the proof that it was the same post as this one that was deleted a few hours ago, it is becoming easier to catch your lies, please do not respond to my posts anymore I am not interested in interacting with scammers like you

Sorry but this response will also prove that you were spamming..

Quote from: paid2 on February 11, 2025, 12:02:33 PM
Creating several threads serves no purpose other than spamming the forum. I reported your other thread which had exactly the same title and content as this one...

If you really want to gain the support of the community, you should follow the proper format for scam accusations and submit your report with all the necessary evidence. I understand your emotions, but relying solely on them won't solve the problem. I hope you realize that we don't take sides here, we review each case based on the evidence and the story provided before forming our opinions.

Now that you have accused the forum (as the title says) of colluding with the scam casino, it seems you no longer trust the forum. In that case, I suggest you take your concerns to other forums or bring them to a mediator.

I do not want the support of the community, I want the casino to prove to me with proof what they are accusing me of since I am totally sure that they are deceiving me, deep down you yourself know that I was scammed but you cannot recognize it because you work for them.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 11:51:41 UTC
BC Game motherfuckers, why don't you delete my son's account? If he supposedly broke the rules too, maybe it's because he's losing money at the casino? You tremendous sons of bitches who are scammers, you deserve death, don't worry, everything will come, I will take care of it through spiritual means to fix this. ⛧
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 11:29:31 UTC
Tomorrow I will dedicate a post to you showing all the screenshots of your profiles, and I will leak real personal information about you to publish it, you are scammers and you cover up scams, I must do justice.
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Re: ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 11:20:30 UTC
Quote from: Maslate on Today at 11:13:40 AM
You're wrong with your assumption because even if many members here promote casinos through their signatures, they would support a scam accusation if the right proof is provided, so if you have posted valid evidence, I don't think the community will refuse to support it.

I have even seen some casinos in the past that were promoted by members, but when those casinos gained negative trust, the members stopped promoting them. That's proof that we don't tolerate casinos involved in shady practices, and we have some DT members here who are checking to see if the accusation is valid, so make sure you follow the scam accusation format because evidence really matters.

Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 10:52:06 AM
A FEW HOURS AGO I PUBLISHED THIS SAME POST AND A BITCOINTALK ADMINISTRATOR DELETED MY POST, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN USERS KNOWING THIS! PLEASE SHARE EVERYTHING


It was deleted because you were spamming.

stop fooling, the post was just like this one, at no time did I spam. scammers and liars.
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Re: BC GAME SCAMMERS LIARS
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 11:07:27 UTC
Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on Today at 07:53:48 AM
Quote from: BC.GAME.SCAM on Today at 04:42:03 AM
every day I will open a post dedicated to them and I don't care if they tell me that this is unethical on my part, but I feel so scammed that dedicating a post every day explaining my case is the right thing to do, so that the same thing happens to no one. I will also make a negative review every day on trustpilot, and I will publish it daily on my famous Instagram account @humorcontagioso, in addition to publishing it in all possible telegram groups.
If you think the justice you got from this forum wasn't fair enough, then you are always free to channel your case to other platforms, such as "Askgambler.com, Trustpilot, Casino.guru or social media". But I doubt if the judgement will be different from what you got here. Hence, I see no reason for you to be stressing yourself here creating multiple threads when you already have an existing active thread for this alledge scam accusations you claim. Because, if I will you, the best I would have done is let go of the case, since the casino has already made it's final decision.

Please stop creating multiple threads. It's against the rules of this forum, as it's considered as "Spam"

I will not talk to a person who works for bc game scammers, every day you will see a post of mine here and if they delete my account or the post I will do what is necessary. Don't even respond to this comment, tremendous son of a bitch, accomplice of scammers.
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Re: BC.GAME IS A SCAM
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 11:00:27 UTC
Don't worry guys, your BC Game boss will be proud of you, you're doing a good job defending them so well, but don't worry, I'll take the law into my own hands. The email was original from Gmail, secondly they tricked me by saying that I made several deposits, Mr. BC Game Support, can you send me the screenshots of what you are accusing me of to my Gmail? My son never connected with the same IP as me. and to everyone on the forum you are covering up a scam, you will pay for it
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ALERT! BITCOINTALK AND CASINO ARE TOGETHER!!
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 10:52:06 UTC
A few days ago I created a post, almost everyone at bitcointalk told me that without evidence I couldn't make the accusation against the casino. Through the evidence I gave, almost all the forum users were against me regardless of the evidence I gave, but now the casino accuses me of something I didn't do and deceives me and no one in the forum demands from the casino the evidence to prove what they accuse me of (disposable email, and multiple deposits due to abuse of bonuses). I clearly realized that the casino is an official sponsor of bitcointalk. I recommend All those who have problems with casinos that never publish anything through bitcointalk will never take your side even if you are right, and if the casino gives a false verdict without evidence, all bitcointalk users will take the side of the casino without demanding the same evidence that they asked of you in the beginning.

If you look at the majority of the users with the most privileges, they are sponsoring the casinos, believe me, bitcointalk is an accomplice of the casinos, and they cannot be impartial since they sponsor the casino. Try to look for other means of help that do not sponsor the casino and if they have real impartial help, I have bothered to read many accusations against casinos in this forum and they always try to make it seem that the client is never right, flee from here bitcointalk and the casinos are just as scammers.


A FEW HOURS AGO I PUBLISHED THIS SAME POST AND A BITCOINTALK ADMINISTRATOR DELETED MY POST, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN USERS KNOWING THIS! PLEASE SHARE EVERYTHING

https://ibb.co/p6CG8wQS
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CAREFUL !! BITCOINTALK AND CASINOS SUPPORT EACH OTHER
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BC.GAME.SCAM
on 13/02/2025, 06:06:13 UTC
A few days ago I created a post, almost everyone at bitcointalk told me that without evidence I couldn't make the accusation against the casino. Through the evidence I gave, almost all the forum users were against me regardless of the evidence I gave, but now the casino accuses me of something I didn't do and deceives me and no one in the forum demands from the casino the evidence to prove what they accuse me of (disposable email, and multiple deposits due to abuse of bonuses). I clearly realized that the casino is an official sponsor of bitcointalk. I recommend All those who have problems with casinos that never publish anything through bitcointalk will never take your side even if you are right, and if the casino gives a false verdict without evidence, all bitcointalk users will take the side of the casino without demanding the same evidence that they asked of you in the beginning.

If you look at the majority of the users with the most privileges, they are sponsoring the casinos, believe me, bitcointalk is an accomplice of the casinos, and they cannot be impartial since they sponsor the casino. Try to look for other means of help that do not sponsor the casino and if they have real impartial help, I have bothered to read many accusations against casinos in this forum and they always try to make it seem that the client is never right, flee from here bitcointalk and the casinos are just as scammers.

Surely some bitcointalk administrator will delete this post since it is not convenient for users to know the truth about this.