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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 24/07/2025, 21:42:09 UTC
I thought they calculate BTC debt but the Estate has sold the assets already. So it's pro-rata on the sold assets, it was valuated at. 12 btc = $150k. Ouch ouch but well.

It was naive to believe I can sell on bitcointalk because you need to be a professional. I am more informed now. Buyers need do due diligence of course before purchasing. The deal I offered is no longer available due to a misconception I had about what it was worth. Sorry about this and sorry to hear you were scammed.

Well, this changes a lot for the worse for you and I'm sorry to hear it. It's a bit of a shock waiting for a repayment with the current price and instead to get  x10 times lesser. But it is what it is. Btw and just for the record, if the Estate has already sold them, then why don't they give you your cut, and you have to sell your claim to another person/ entity?

Yes, very true. Not sure, UK laws "The Insolvency Act 2016", I don't have my own counsel in this matter. They refuse to release dividends however, must treat all Creditors equally, etc. It's messed up.
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
by
Bitmessage
on 09/07/2025, 05:28:24 UTC
I have been scammed to of few cents and I missed completely this request. Not a big deal...  The guy Liam Alexander Short, seems to be the liquidator,
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4510144 This has been discussed also here on bitcointalk (I found some references).

The offer however seems to good to be true. Why you should refuse so much money? Why not just trying to get a line of credit maybe giving this as a kind of collateral and not just selling? I know that is hard selling and used as collateral... just wait its not more easy and profitable?

I thought they calculate BTC debt but the Estate has sold the assets already. So it's pro-rata on the sold assets, it was valuated at. 12 btc = $150k. Ouch ouch but well.

It was naive to believe I can sell on bitcointalk because you need to be a professional. I am more informed now.
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 09/07/2025, 05:26:39 UTC
I have been scammed to of few cents and I missed completely this request. Not a big deal...  The guy Liam Alexander Short, seems to be the liquidator,
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4510144 This has been discussed also here on bitcointalk (I found some references).

The offer however seems to good to be true. Why you should refuse so much money? Why not just trying to get a line of credit maybe giving this as a kind of collateral and not just selling? I know that is hard selling and used as collateral... just wait its not more easy and profitable?

As OP said, even if he keeps his claim, he will have to wait almost 2 years, if not more. So, by giving it whole or even a portion of it as collateral, the lender will have to wait the same time as he. Plus, that isn't as easy as it might sound to change the credentials on a claim. On the contrary, it's a pretty fuss, thus not something that could end fast.
It's always better to keep it and wait, but life can't wait. Things can happen that can change your plans at any time.

Re: Selling the Claim: Yeah X-claim sorts that legality out for me. Re: waiting it's institutional buyers who can wait.

I agree: to quote John Maynard Keynes "in the long run we're all dead".

I got $150k valuation and its being auctioned off at $30-50k. For 12 BTC initially. SoFA analysis by X-claim. I'll take it because I retire from crypto, moving onto other things
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 09/07/2025, 05:24:55 UTC
I have been scammed to of few cents and I missed completely this request. Not a big deal...  The guy Liam Alexander Short, seems to be the liquidator,
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4510144 This has been discussed also here on bitcointalk (I found some references).

The offer however seems to good to be true. Why you should refuse so much money? Why not just trying to get a line of credit maybe giving this as a kind of collateral and not just selling? I know that is hard selling and used as collateral... just wait its not more easy and profitable?

Initial offer off-table as its being listed later this week. I get a little less than expected, $30-50k auction range, $150k valuation by X-claim.
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 09/07/2025, 05:23:36 UTC
Ah didn't know. They contact Buyers in their network beforehand the listing. Next, the evaluate the Estate. Then it's math for these finance guys a/k/a Buyers as to how much they are willing to pay for the debt and wait an presumably 18-24 months. It will have an fair estimate after x-claim do their due diligence.

I will update the thread, the listing is planned for next week. And the Mintpal group on telegram has only 20 members, so we are indeed very few. The amount of total Creditors in this mess according to Annual Reports is about 100 guys.

It's been ~2 weeks since your last post regarding your claim listing. Do you have any updates on your issue? What happens with X-claim? Did they approve it or not? I'm interested to know since it's very rare to see something like that. Especially for such a low-demand claim like Mintpal.

Yeah I message you on telegram I am rarely on this forum

We're listing it this week and the price is a bit lower, will post in this forum when listing is open.
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 13/06/2025, 18:27:32 UTC
Thank you condoras. X-claim.com is a brokerage, they take commission from the sale. I think we're listing it this week or next. So x-claim.com has been pretty quick. If it was FTX, Celsius etc, it would've been even quicker, since they already had customers from those bankruptcies.

Yes, I'm aware of this site and its procedures and it's indeed different if you are not the first who sell your claim from a bankruptcy. In any case, listing it in a 15-day frame, it's fast. Did they tell you how many chances you have for selling this? I mean, did they give you a percentage of success?

Yea it has been ~11 years in Liquidation, I am tired of waiting so I am selling  Tongue

And it would be more, the procedure still has a road to go, hopefully it won't be too long. Btw, it would be good to inform us how everything goes eventually. Few have a claim from this scam-theft-fraud, you name it.

Ah didn't know. They contact Buyers in their network beforehand the listing. Next, the evaluate the Estate. Then it's math for these finance guys a/k/a Buyers as to how much they are willing to pay for the debt and wait an presumably 18-24 months. It will have an fair estimate after x-claim do their due diligence.

I will update the thread, the listing is planned for next week. And the Mintpal group on telegram has only 20 members, so we are indeed very few. The amount of total Creditors in this mess according to Annual Reports is about 100 guys.
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Re: ★ ★ ★ LENDING ► CONDORAS SERVICE ◄ ESCROW ★ ★ ★
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Bitmessage
on 09/06/2025, 02:58:11 UTC
Hi Condoras

Loan Amount: $1000 in BTC
Loan Purpose: Contingencies, Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
Loan Repay Amount: $1200 in BTC
Loan Repay Date: 2 months (6/9/2025) latest
Escrow profile link: None
Bitcoin Address (BTC network): 1FpEw1ZhwLVZyRKVFBPDmSf79viVhu8DSH


Cross-posting from shasan thread where I was rejected.
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 09/06/2025, 01:38:25 UTC
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08920347/filing-history

All Annual Reports are there, the Liquidator is Liam Short

TLDR: I found a better avenue to list it on, an auction site x-claim.com. They sort all the legal papers of transferring it to another person or entity.
TLDR: Mintpal was shut down, and years later the Liquidator found £15 million of assets, but only 100 Claimants of which I am 1. The Liquidator anticipate a dividend to all Creditors, plus statutory interest where applicable.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4510127/

Good to hear that you found an alternative. Idk how much money this will cost and how much time it will take to be finished, but I guess it's worth a try.
I hope that this story will have some good closure after all for all that being scammed by this Alex Green dude.

Thank you condoras. X-claim.com is a brokerage, they take commission from the sale. I think we're listing it this week or next. So x-claim.com has been pretty quick. If it was FTX, Celsius etc, it would've been even quicker, since they already had customers from those bankruptcies.


Yea it has been ~11 years in Liquidation, I am tired of waiting so I am selling  Tongue
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Re: Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
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Bitmessage
on 06/06/2025, 19:41:49 UTC
Hi

I have a 12 BTC Claim in Mintpal.com (a former cryptocurrency exchange) bankruptcy as a Creditor.

1) I will provide all legal documents such as Proof-of-Debt, including in the last Annual Report and on the Creditor's Portal, the estimated time to retrieve funds is presumably 18-24 months, according to the Liquidator
2) I will provide my proof of identity
3) I will provide my contact info etc.
4) I am selling 1 BTC of this debt for 0.2 BTC (5x BTC return in presumably ~2 years).

If interested, shoot me a DM here or on Telegram https://t.me/bmcarl1994

Who is the Liquidator? I haven't heard of any that start a liquidation process. The only thing I know for sure is that Mintpal was shut down after the second "hack" in 2014.
Even if it's a liquidation on the move, everything that you are willingly offer is useless since all of them are either reversible or pledged to another person.
Btw, selling something that actually worth nothing isn't a trade but a scam attempt. Unless you can prove otherwise...

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08920347/filing-history

All Annual Reports are there, the Liquidator is Liam Short

TLDR: I found a better avenue to list it on, an auction site x-claim.com. They sort all the legal papers of transferring it to another person or entity.
TLDR: Mintpal was shut down, and years later the Liquidator found £15 million of assets, but only 100 Claimants of which I am 1. The Liquidator anticipate a dividend to all Creditors, plus statutory interest where applicable.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4510127/
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Re: Lending Service Started! (USDT/BUSD/BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)!
by
Bitmessage
on 02/06/2025, 23:40:52 UTC
Loan Amount: 0.1 BTC
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.2 BTC
Loan Repay Date: 2 years (6/1/2027) latest
Type of Collateral: Mintpal Claim
Escrow profile link: None
Bitcoin Address (BTC network): 1FpEw1ZhwLVZyRKVFBPDmSf79viVhu8DSH


Also PM'd on Telegram.

I think so unfortunately Shasan really fast reject your loan application.

Accept only altcoins I read after I posted this. But you can sell Claims on x-claim.com, which is what I am trying to do now.
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Re: Lending Service Started! (USDT/BUSD/BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)!
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Bitmessage
on 01/06/2025, 20:12:49 UTC
Loan Amount: 0.1 BTC
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.2 BTC
Loan Repay Date: 2 years (6/1/2027) latest
Type of Collateral: Mintpal Claim
Escrow profile link: None
Bitcoin Address (BTC network): 1FpEw1ZhwLVZyRKVFBPDmSf79viVhu8DSH


Also PM'd on Telegram.
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Selling 12 BTC Mintpal debt
by
Bitmessage
on 01/06/2025, 18:55:20 UTC
Hi

I have a 12 BTC Claim in Mintpal.com (a former cryptocurrency exchange) bankruptcy as a Creditor.

1) I will provide all legal documents such as Proof-of-Debt, including in the last Annual Report and on the Creditor's Portal, the estimated time to retrieve funds is presumably 18-24 months, according to the Liquidator
2) I will provide my proof of identity
3) I will provide my contact info etc.
4) I am selling 1 BTC of this debt for 0.2 BTC (5x BTC return in presumably ~2 years).


If interested, shoot me a DM here or on Telegram https://t.me/bmcarl1994
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Re: Moolah Scam on Mintpal - Reporting Missing Coins
by
Bitmessage
on 30/05/2025, 19:01:18 UTC
Wow!! Thank you for this. Sadly no dogecoin yet.

Apply to be a non-preferential creditor if you can prove you had doge there.

Judging by the eth sale I doubt they will directly return coins to creditors. They will probably sell them and return cash instead.

Page 12 of the insolvency/liquidators annual progress report from 26/04/2016 contains a form for letting the liquidator know what you are owed. This is the link to it.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09009856/filing-history/MzE1MzA3NzYyNWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

According to this filing on 28 January 2021 the insolvency/liquidator's registered office address changed to

Liam Alexander Short,
Elwell Watchorn & Saxton Llp,
8 Warren Park Way,
Enderby,
Leicester,
LE19 4SA.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09009856/filing-history/MzI4OTU3ODUwM2FkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

I assume you would send the form there.

I submitted a Claim for 12 BTC. Since 2021 they recovered some BTC as well.

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Re: Finns det några aktiva skandinavier här?
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Bitmessage
on 29/05/2025, 20:53:02 UTC
Tjabba, är relativt ny på forumet här och undrar om det finns några fler skandinavier här? Är själv som ni ser från Sverige. (bor dock utomlands)

Jag är här, försöker sälja min Claim i Mintpal bankruptcy. Inte helt lätt.
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Re: Havelock Investments Gone for Good?
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Bitmessage
on 08/07/2024, 21:11:19 UTC
No idea if this helps anyone here.

Havelock was associated with Crypto Panama.

Crypto Panama was associated with several exchanges that 'blipped' during that time.

Decent writeup here: https://decrypt.co/6824/crypto-capital-follow-up-article

Doesn't help.

What was the company name of Havelock? I found Havelock Investments Ltd was forcefully dissolved in UK and all remaining assets donated to the crown (but I am unsure if this is the correct company). But I doubt they resided in UK offering unregistered securities, I heard Panama and Hong Kong and such places.

Unsure whatever happened to them, no news articles no nothing.
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Re: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund
by
Bitmessage
on 08/07/2024, 20:39:52 UTC
We are pleased to announce the release of the new IVFO (Initial Virtual Fund Offering):

(HIF) HavelockInvestments.com Fund

HavelockInvestments.com offers a software platform through its website which allows Companies to apply for Venture Capital Funds and be listed through our Bitcoin denominated Fund. Our revenue is derived from Listing Fees, Maintenance Fees and Exchange Fees.
 
This Fund is offered as a way for our loyal users to participate in any profits derived from the operations of the HavelockInvestments.com website.

HavelockInvestments.com will offer a total of 20,000,000 units.

15,000,000 (75%) will be restricted units held privately by the owners of the Fund

5,000,000 (25%) will be floated via the exchange

This offer will represent Twenty Percent (20%) in virtual units of the HavelockInvestments.com which is comprised in total of 100,000,000 units of the Fund. These units will never be diluted.

These units will be offered exclusively through the HavelockInvestments.com Website

The Units of the HavelockInvestments.com Fund will be released over 4 Blocks.

Each Block released will offer a total of:

One Million Two Hundred and Fifty Thousand (1,250,000) Units each.

The schedule of the Blocks will be as follows:
November 20th, 2013 12 PM 1st Block 1,250,000 Units Offered at a 50% Discount    ฿0.0005 Per Unit = 625 BTC **SOLD OUT**
November 22nd, 2013       2nd Block 1,250,000 Units Offered at a 33% Discount         ฿0.00066 Per Unit = 825 BTC ** Timed Out**
*TBD 3rd Block 1,250,000 Units Offered at a 25% Discount                                        ฿0.00075 Per Unit =  937.5 BTC
*TBD 4th Block 1,250,000 Units Offered at a face value                                            ฿0.001 Per Unit   = 1250 BTC

The above Blocks will be released based on market conditions.
Open Market Orders will begin November 27th, 2013 12 PM EST

Updates on when the Blocks will be released will be made exclusively through the HavelockInvestments.com website

Please review our prospectus before purchasing any of the Fund's Units at https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reports.php

For more info please visit: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HIF
Or contact us at Contact@HavelockInvestments.com



Had an account balance there, I e-mailed Contact@HavelockInvestments.com

Please refund. Thank you.
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Re: This Will make you rich
by
Bitmessage
on 05/07/2024, 17:34:37 UTC
First ask yourself who you want to be ?
Rich by wealth 90% 60%-80% ? Or 20% ?
What about the 1% ?
The wealth is info and knowledge what you know and others don't know.
You want to be that 1% ?
So you have to go against the 99% of the world so you get allmost like 99% of traders investors gamblers money.
If you want that go take your time and think what the 1% might be doing now ?
But there is same % of top winners and top losers both are the 1% so while doing some move what nobody don't know about you might lose all or win big.
Sure you can make good profit with btc or meme coins but that's not what the 1% will do now because too many people expecting and waiting the same thing.
Take now your time go learn the market think hard because If you could hit right you could make a lot profit.
Im busy to figure out what could be that 1% move the biggest jackpot.

I like real wealth: gold, stocks, hard currencies, cash, over cryptocurrency [as a store of wealth]. I am interesting in cryptocurrencies due to cryptography.

In stocks I find that I outperform index every year, by a statistically significant margin, but I do spend a lot of time.

I don't trade with leverage or loans, never small cap companies. Still my portfolio has increased by an average of 25% each year for the last decennium.

I won't become ultra-rich like George Soros. That is almost impossible. You need windfall profits and lots of luck (be in the right place for you).
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Re: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)
by
Bitmessage
on 29/06/2024, 13:41:25 UTC
Anyone interested in buying 1252 NEO&BEE shares book value 5.2287 BTC; I sell them for 2500 USD. Essentially you need to sue or deal with the CEO Danny Brewster 'cryptocyprus' or wait for creditors to be repaid. It went defunct in 2014 and sold on Havelock Investments. It was a "bitcoin bank".  According to his last post on bitcointalk, some coins are locked up in MtGox so things might change soon.

Hoping all of us get refunded soon  Cool
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Neo&Bee shares
by
Bitmessage
on 29/06/2024, 13:29:24 UTC
Anyone interested in buying 1252 NEO&BEE shares book value 5.2287 BTC; I sell them for 2500 USD. Essentially you need to sue or deal with the CEO Danny Brewster 'cryptocyprus' or wait for creditors to be repaid. It went defunct in 2014 and sold on Havelock Investments. It was a "bitcoin bank".  According to his last post on bitcointalk, some coins are locked up in MtGox so things might change soon.
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Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
by
Bitmessage
on 21/05/2024, 19:49:29 UTC

Thoughts on this?

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Giancarlo Devasini (“GD”), CFO of iFinex Inc. with full power of
attorney on behalf of iFinex Inc. communicating through
recovery@bitfinex.com and with the PGP pub key fingerprint E7ED 6B5B
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and
 
the entity owner (“BM”) of the email address
BM-2cSqi89Xdei7nmW1x7VbwBuPD5W8duCy5V@bitmessage.ch and with the PGP
pub key fingerprint F136 8394 018A DFF7 0AF3 7550 C1DC A5C7 8321 5A72.
 
Whereas
 
iFinex Inc. was the victim a security breach on the 2nd of August 2016
that resulted in the theft of ~119,756 bitcoin and BM claims to know
the identity of the hacker, can provide evidence of that claim, and
can provide details on the attack vector(s) employed in the security
breach.
 
GD takes formal obligation on behalf of iFinex Inc. to move the amount
of 5,988 BTC under the direct control of Adam Back (PGP pub key
fingerprint 80 7B 4E FE D8 6F EF 86 81 E4 EA 27 78 E3 FA 1B with email
adam@cypherspace.org) and Gregory Maxwell (PGP pub key fingerprint
0xAC859362B0413BFA with email gmaxwell@gmail.com) who are trusted
persons by BM.
 
Adam Back and Gregory Maxwell, together with an additional trusted
third party (Daniel Folkinshteyn a/k/a nanotube) will hold these
bitcoin in escrow in a “2 of 3” multi-signature wallet with the public
key hash: 36XN5b82ZYVs5nCUBz3PE8LEhaCHEMkxmB
 
Once the bitcoin has been transferred into escrow, BM will then
provide to GD the identity of the hacker, the evidence linking the
hacker to the security breach, and details on the attack vector(s)
employed in the security breach.
 
A bounty of five percent (5%) on any recovered bitcoin will be paid by
iFinex Inc. from the multi-signature wallet in control of Adam Back,
Gregory Maxwell, and Daniel Folkinshteyn with the public key hash:
36XN5b82ZYVs5nCUBz3PE8LEhaCHEMkxmB within a month of the bitcoin
recovery to BM’s wallet with the public key hash of
1FW4G4W9s89rKiB3VU7PZcNBPPn2btFYzP. If no bitcoin is recovered, no
bounty is due to BM.
 
GD and iFinex Inc. have no right to claim any total or partial
withdrawal from this agreement under the assumption that the hacker
identity was previously known by GD or hinted at by anybody else. The
full amount of 5% of any recovered amount will be paid by iFinex
Inc. to BM.
 
GD and iFinex Inc. have no right to claim any total or partial
withdrawal from this agreement without adequately informing Adam Back
and Greg Maxwell why the individual revealed by BM is no longer a
person of interest or why the bitcoin may be irrecoverable.
 
Neither Adam Back nor Gregory Maxwell are liable to GD or iFinex
Inc. for any of their actions or inactions under this agreement.
 
This agreement is considered to be in effect when BM is in receipt of
PGP signed copies of this agreement from GD, Adam Back, and Gregory
Maxwell.
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