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PlayerX47
on 06/08/2020, 20:16:42 UTC
I can confirm that sportsbet.io have not reached out to me regarding this, the situation remains the same.

There is still also no update from Curaçao eGaming.

I have had lots of messages from users asking how they can help, I don’t believe this post or it’s response will have any impact on the way sportsbet.io handle this case, but I also don’t feel it will do any harm.

The best way one can help is by supporting the flag against them on this forum. Link found below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2181

Should I receive any updates I will keep this thread updated. Thanks
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 03/08/2020, 14:04:20 UTC
What is your next step?

Regardless of what Sportsbet really believe what happened, you cannot expect Sportsbet or any other online casino to accept any form of liability in a public forum, it will open them up for mass litigation. they could have privately engaged with you in a different more sympathetic manner but from what you and they wrote it seems they decided against it.

What next for you?


sportsbet.io have replied with the response I was expecting, unfortunately because I reported it to Curacao eGaming that is now their response.

It is however clear from this case that as a company you have no regard for the welfare of your players and absolutely no commitment to maintaining a responsible gambling program.

I have tried to resolve this with them privately but they choose to ignore me.

I want them to accept that they could have done better and that they can do better in the future to prevent something this extreme from happening to someone else. I want them to realise the damage they can cause by not taking responsible gambling seriously.

This is not solely about my loss of funds, this is about the carelessness of the company. I want to highlight this and make them learn from this and evolve. I don't believe they are truely a bad company. As stated before, they were good to me prior to my self exclusion.

The world of anonymous gambling is a dangerous one for vulnerable players such as myself.
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PlayerX47
on 03/08/2020, 13:21:40 UTC

Did you get any 'help' from Get-Paid?
Please don't trust anyone sending you PM or offering help in PM

OP, feel free to respond.
No legal help was offered.
Whilst you seem to act like a good cop here it's also being on a borderline of being an idiot - if anyone using a PM in your eyes is a scammer then take out your paranoia on someone else.


He has just been having the same discussion as what is public mostly, however I would rather keep it on this thread.

We're confident we've acted fairly, in line with our T&Cs, and gone above and beyond to ensure that our obligations to responsible gaming are upheld.
It has been requested here that we not share any details of any kind and we respect that. There has however been clear, consistent communication with the player about the situation, our T&Cs, and processes for such cases.
We have supplied all the relevant information to our license holder in response to this issue which was raised to them and are awaiting their decision.
This is where the matter between the customer and Sportbet.io best remains.

Thank you for your understanding

regards,
Steve.
Sportsbet.io

sportsbet.io have replied with the response I was expecting, unfortunately because I reported it to Curacao eGaming that is now their response.

It is however clear from this case that as a company you have no regard for the welfare of your players and absolutely no commitment to maintaining a responsible gambling program.
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PlayerX47
on 03/08/2020, 09:25:55 UTC
Why is this even still here?

This is not a scam accusation.

OP is just a sorry loser. Somebody needs to lose so somebody else can win, this is how gambling works. You didn't have to write a wall of text to prove this.

Some mod should move this topic to gambling discussion or off-topic, please.

This is not just about being a sorry loser.

I have clearly detailed the reason for it being here, whilst I don't believe sportsbet.io are outright scammers, they are not honouring their own terms and conditions as detailed in my original post.
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Re: BitCasino.io - 1.43BTC + 1.6BTC Scammed
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PlayerX47
on 02/08/2020, 16:51:38 UTC
Too much going on at bitcasino really....

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So now they are as well turned to scamers? Like duckdice.io is turned to scame and bitcointalk wll oneday give you red tag dont forget that bitcasino

Hi,

I am curious to as whether you ever got a response from Curacao eGaming?
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 01/08/2020, 13:24:33 UTC
Addictions are tough, many people suffer with some form of bad habit or addiction. I feel a bit sorry for him, if he has a family & stuff he needs to sort his shit out for them & fast.

I?d suggest he seeks professional help for gambling rather than pursuing anything else. If he was using a VPN or Tor or something how the hell is anybody supposed to know he?s self excluded? I don?t know the legalities of it but surely if you self exclude an account to try & stop gambling but start a load of others then the only entity liable for it is yourself.

Like I said I don?t know the legalities of it but it?s fucking moronic either way, fix up OP.

Thanks for your brutal opinion, but I also agree with partly what you have said. It's ok I have tough skin, I am not here looking for sympathy.

Ultimately operators have a responsibility to their players, gambling is a real issue worldwide and most regulators have very strict guidelines for protecting players. Curacao maybe not so much, I am not sure at the moment.

One of my main points of taking this public is to raise awareness. The era of anonymous gambling is extremely dangerous to vulnerable players and ultimately is it even legal to be running a business which allows gambling of this level without asking the player any information? I can assure you it's not, it breaks pretty much every single money laundering rule ever. It certainly breaks the license that sportsbet.io operate under.
It cannot be doubted operators do have a responsibility to their users and it will be interesting to see what Sportsbet have to say about this. I have no doubt their algorithms would have picked up problem gamblers just as fast as they would have picked up fraudsters and scammers.

Steve from Sportsbet will definitely get back to you, give him some time to look in to the whole thing then kindly post here and update the thread so we can all be kept in the loop.

The biggest problem is operators hold the cards and they are happy to watch players lose but only enforce barriers when a player is winning. Had I been winning I truly believe it would have been a very different situation in that they would have flagged my accounts. Obviously that is not the case however so it's not a line of defence.
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 31/07/2020, 18:03:14 UTC
So you’re a degenerate gambler who can’t control his urges & it’s somebody else’s fault?

Interesting.

LFC, I agree with you on this ... in general that's his case ... if he wants to try getting back something it's only going to be through legal channels. Graham Calvert in the UK tried it and failed but there were precedents of other cases where the gamblers won ... I just hope the OP would realize he won't get lots of sympathy for this case and he really shouldn't, he should compose himself and do the right thing for himself here.


Addictions are tough, many people suffer with some form of bad habit or addiction. I feel a bit sorry for him, if he has a family & stuff he needs to sort his shit out for them & fast.

I’d suggest he seeks professional help for gambling rather than pursuing anything else. If he was using a VPN or Tor or something how the hell is anybody supposed to know he’s self excluded? I don’t know the legalities of it but surely if you self exclude an account to try & stop gambling but start a load of others then the only entity liable for it is yourself.

Like I said I don’t know the legalities of it but it’s fucking moronic either way, fix up OP.

Thanks for your brutal opinion, but I also agree with partly what you have said. It's ok I have tough skin, I am not here looking for sympathy.

Ultimately operators have a responsibility to their players, gambling is a real issue worldwide and most regulators have very strict guidelines for protecting players. Curacao maybe not so much, I am not sure at the moment.

One of my main points of taking this public is to raise awareness. The era of anonymous gambling is extremely dangerous to vulnerable players and ultimately is it even legal to be running a business which allows gambling of this level without asking the player any information? I can assure you it's not, it breaks pretty much every single money laundering rule ever. It certainly breaks the license that sportsbet.io operate under.
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 31/07/2020, 10:40:00 UTC

Players always are at a disadvantage as these big companies are so not scared by the thought of legal action.

I also imagine legal action against a Curacao company could be pretty tricky

The lawsuit is against the license holder who has more than 20 BTC to lose, and other parties can be sued and they would be scared of it.

When I had my case they paid me $7000 without even going to court! in Curacao!

The system in Curacao is not so broken as many believe, Game Protect actually said it and he was right - but he was also someone who couldn't keep his word and promises to his customers, but the guy was quite knowledgeable - the OP just needs to find someone knowledgeable that would take him through the hoops...


Before proceeding with legal action I am advised to wait for the ruling of the case from Curacao eGaming. I just wish sportsbet could resolve this with me directly.
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 31/07/2020, 09:26:37 UTC
Hello,

can you inbox me you user name and Ill check it out for you

thanks,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

I have sent Steve @ sportsbet.io my username.

Steve, as previously stated, please do not post any personal information on this public forum, including my username. I am happily to discuss this case openly and we can do so without any personal information. Thanks Steve.
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 31/07/2020, 07:01:48 UTC

You should edit your first post in this thread and make the readers aware you've created a flag.
I've supported the flag because SportsBet.io has several other accusations against them that keep on building up but once again - I'd be surprised if others will support the flag, simply because they will accuse you of being in fault here - but I truly hope I'm being wrong with this.



I have done so thanks for your input
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Re: [sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
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PlayerX47
on 31/07/2020, 06:46:18 UTC
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Thanks for your response. I appreciate it, I also understand that it is a huge sum of money and posting on a forum is very unlikely to change the outcome. I wanted to raise awareness to the case and also get the opinion of others.

I have also been advised to create a flag against sportsbet.io which I have done so:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2181

Please do not oppose the flag, if sportsbet.io come to a reasonable outcome I will of course remove this. I hope there is some support for my case.
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[sportsbet.io] Responsible gambling failure, not honouring their own t&c's.
by
PlayerX47
on 30/07/2020, 21:24:42 UTC
I would like to make public an ongoing case I have with sportsbet.io which I have tried to resolve with them directly but their refusal to co-operate has left me no choice and bitcoin talk has been recommended to me as the best place to write this.

I do not believe that sportsbet.io are outright scammers but I do believe I have been treated unfairly in this case. Up until the point I self excluded from their platform last year, they had been good to me but as a problem gambler I used their self exclusion process to take myself away from being able to use their platform.

Back in May I went through a bad patch and was able to open a new account on sportsbet.io despite being self excluded and over the course of a weekend, lose around 16 BTC.. consisting of multiple deposits, withdrawals and re-deposits. Wagering without a doubt over a million in fiat value. With just a username, never have they asked me for anything more than an email & username.

I raised a complaint with their support team who basically just concluded it was my own fault and that they are not responsible if I manage to open a new account and lose money.

I had tried to open an account with them a few months prior to this, in which they immediately detected was me and refunded the deposit I had made. Which I was very grateful for. I don’t want to gamble, it’s just an addiction which I can’t always control. Why didn’t they detect my account this time?

I imagine they use a series of IP detection / blockchain analysis software to link player accounts, but for whatever reason they chose not to close my account this time where I proceeded to lose a lot of money.

It put me in a bad position and a few weeks later I again opened another account in the hope of chasing my losses and getting my bitcoin back. Obviously I lost even more because that’s what problem gamblers do. I ended up depositing everything I had, converting all the fiat money I had to bitcoin and also depositing that. Losing around another 20 BTC and leaving me with nothing. Losing everything I own to sportsbet.io.

Whilst I feel partly responsible for this, I also feel that sportsbet.io do not take reasonable measures to protect their players. They told me that they under their license they don’t need to protect players??

Both times I managed to open an account, I reported to their support team so that they could close my account. I have highlighted a section from their own Responsible Gambling Terms and Conditions to them, the following section in which I believe has not been fairly honoured in my case:

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“This is a voluntary agreement, therefore if you proceed to breach the terms within, in the first instance only, any wagering that has taken place will stand, losses will not be refunded. However, multiple breaches of the terms within, all wagering will be void and dealt with at Sportsbet.io, Bitcasino.io and Livecasino.io’s discretion. Also, if we have suspicions or further investigation provides evidence that you have actively attempted to disguise the source of your account or accounts; which affects our ability to block your account or accounts promptly, this will also be dealt with at Sportsbet.io, Bitcasino.io and Livecasino.io’s discretion.”

Having breached my self exclusion multiple times, I believe they should be voiding my wagering as per their terms and conditions and of course return my funds to me, although it states “at their discretion”!!. They have tried to explain that the terms and conditions mean something else but it’s very clear to me how they are worded. I believe that due to the size of the claim, they are using that “discretion” and choosing to not honour it.

Regardless of the above terms, the ethical response of this would be to return my funds. I asked them for help, I self excluded from their platform to offer me protection, because I needed it. I believe their attempts at blocking my accounts have not been sufficient and that they are just as responsible as me for me losing everything I have.

It’s so crazy that a company can allow me to lose so much money without even asking me to KYC once, having proper KYC in place would have protected me and prevented me from being in such a bad situation.

I submitted a complaint to AskGamblers, in which it was denied because AskGamblers do not take complaints which involve the company breaking their terms and conditions and referred me to the regulator.

I have indeed submitted this to Curaçao eGaming but it’s been a month with no response from them and I have done lots of research and it seems they pretty much never reply to complaints so I am not holding out much hope through that avenue.

Sportsbet.io preach that they take player protection seriously, but this is clear they have no care for the welfare of their players.

I appreciate that Sportsbet.io would have incurred costs from this incident such as commissions to their game providers and I would be willing to accept some of the responsibility and have a reduced sum returned to me. I hope Sportsbet will eventually come to the right decision as at the moment I feel this has been handled very badly and unfairly. I have been completely truthful with sportsbet.io throughout and I have not attempted to defraud them at any point, all I ask is that I am treated fairly.

I hope everyone reading this sees this case from both sides. This is not a simple case of I lost and I want my money back, if that was the case I would not be pursuing this. It is much more complicated than that.

I do not give permission to sportsbet to reveal any of my details, including my username on a public forum. I wish to remain anonymous in public. (Should sportsbet need details from me please PM me, but I am sure you will be able to find this case very easily).