We all know what AML check tools are, but does this mean that when funding an account on Paywithus, coins could be refused or blocked if they have too high an AML score?
It's a big difference.

I see that AML Address Check is implemented on the platform.
What exactly is the reason for this? Just one more feature for users, or verification will be required before deposit, which would mean that you will be selective when accepting payments with cryptocurrencies?
Also, what is the Rent Tron Energy option for?

It’s very clear that PayWithUs never mentioned anything about card deletion for that reason (5 declined transactions). I see that you block the card after five declines, and I find this rule ridiculous in the first place. Although, it’s your service and your rules but you should make your terms clearer. 

You accused Shasan of breaking your terms and rules, so does that mean getting five declines due to insufficient balance is actually forbidden? What if a subscription service like Netflix attempts to charge the card five times in a row within 24 hours? How would that be the user's fault if he doesn’t have enough balance inside, and why should their card be deleted in such a case? 

I remember once attaching a virtual card to my Google account, but accidentally deleted it. Few weeks later, Google Payments requested a copy or at least a screenshot of the card, and since I couldn’t provide it, my Google Payments profile remains locked to this day. Luckily, it wasn’t that important to me, but this is just one example of how a card can sometimes be imported.

I understand that you are only providing a service and may not have full control over these cards, as dealing with them especially with crypto deposits, the bank may face issues or won’t survive long. However, denying your mistake of deleting a card instead of simply blocking it, just because it was offered for free, without mentioning that in your ToS doesn’t seem right.

You have asked me https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484771.msg63650406#msg63650406 I have not requested from you. Do you block/delete cards manually if not then how does it take too long? If it takes too long and there is something wrong then how users on your site can be safe? I am still on the same point and I think you are scamming your users in various ways and deletion of the card is one of them. If the card is active for a year then whyare you told the card can't be reactivated even if I refill it?

You have offered the card to check to check how your card is so that we can check and if it is good then we can use it. You have not been told it is a trial and you will delete the card. And you have mentioned the card has been deleted due to a decline. How you can charge 6 times for the decline while the card should be blocked after the 5 declines? And how you can decline while the card is deleted? So, you deleted the card before any decline?

When they give it to use mine they can't get it back as it is my own. By the by if they would take it back by saying their promotion not working or something like that and they need to take it back then I would not mind. The important factor to me is that:
They would block after 5 decline but they have charged me 6 times for the decline. Even after the the deletion (after the thread was created they declined the payment) if the card has been deleted then how they can decline they would not show it anymore. Now how I can know how many times declines happened before the deletion? And there is no terms regarding the deletion. At the same time, they have not sent me any email about the deletion of the card.

 they mention this no where other than the popup after you get a card, but this kind of info need to be knows before hand not after.

I won't comment anything on this stupid example... as if you have been in spaceship to confirm actual shape of anything.

No, it's just facts, not my opinion.
Let me repeat again, YOU GAVE HIM A CARD LOADED WITH MONEY, after that point card with all the money inside was his.
End of story, and I won't continue talking more about this subject.

Keep digging deeper hole with this kind of infantile replies

Wow, I see now what was is problem here, maybe he forced and blackmailed you to give him this card...
You gave away few free cards but than you think that you have the right to brag about it, and complain if they don't purchase another card

Here we go... counter accusation, and now shasan is a ''scammer''  

I have to disagree with this.
If someone gives you card, money, coins, bread, banana or anything else, than this item becomes yours.
If I send you 1 Bitcoin than this Bitcoin becomes yours, I don't have to justify and call you out for life how once that coin was mine.
He didn't steal or forced anyone to give him card for testing, and he didn't agree to be shamed for not spending more money.

I don't care what service it is, and as you said Netflix had caught my attention because I recently cancelled it and I haven't had any problems with them trying to charge me. The point here is that if you sign up for a subscription service, whatever it is, and you don't cancel it, they are going to try to charge you, because that's what you agreed to.


Now, this is getting interesting.


I see it more like they gave you a gift and told you that if you left the room they would take it away (or put it in a safe), and now that they have taken it away you are complaining.

So far I've supported you in all the threads you've opened but I don't see the point of this one.

no, but you have never owned the card or the balance on it in the first place to call it a gift.

i assume the card you got was some kind of promotion. and stuff like this get taken back all the time, if a service give you something for free and they take it back later for whatever reason, you can't call it a scam, because they owe you nothing as you paid nothing. you leave a bad review and you move on.

you may not agree with what i'm saying, but i'm trying to be fair here.
for you to say they scammed you, you need to have lost your own money.

I have some questions. In the screenshot it shows a balance of $4.87. This amount belongs to shasan therefore will you return it to him if does not want to pay $30 to obtain the card or will you confiscate the balance?

Regarding the card that was deleted, did shasan pay $30 for it and was given a $10 balance (or another amount minus the $20 fee) or did he receive it on a promotional offer/free trial courtesy of PayWithUs?  

putting the issue with the terms and the card being deleted aside.

i have to agree that you can't accuse them of scamming you if you got the card for free and never used any of your own money on the service.

You are a scammer because you have deleted the card though you have never mentioned that you can delete any card and you have never mentioned you will charge your user 6 times while after 5 declined card should be blocked and another important thing is that if the card has been really deleted than how the card decline another time.

Who knows if all the decline has happened after the deletion of the card or not? There is no proof of when the card has been deleted and I wasn't aware before I logged in.

You have given those but you have charged 0.15$ multiple times for using a small amount but you have never mentioned it on your terms as well as you have never mentioned it on the charge/fee. Also, earlier I said seen my card has been inactive, and then you have given a new card as stated your bin had been stopped. Are you stealing a card and giving those to your users that you bin stopped but you have not informed your users?

Where have you mentioned the deletion of the card if you have mentioned anything about the deletion of the card then show it in an archive (I have asked for the archive as you can blur it). For decline, you can block my card but you can't delete my card as delete has not been mentioned. Note: I have got the card for free as a trial that doesn't mean you can delete my card. And I will soon publish howto  treat on your customer service on telegram. Also, I have to write a few more information about your service as well as customer service.

This is not true, because you said it yourself that you have the power to unblock and not delete card, that is clearly MANUAL action.

I don't know about that, but I know for sure about two forum members that made serious accusations against you, and you choose to ignore it.
You also spent a bunch of time acting like a kid with member incrediable, and you turned your ANN topic into circus show.
Very unprofessional and childish behavior.

Ok. Yes, you do reserve the right to block the card and may not unblock it if you want. But you never explicitly mentioned that you have the right to delete the card. If you want to delete it, you have to explicitly mention on your website that you have the right to delete the card if it gets blocked. If you do not mention it and delete the cards, it means you are scamming people and making them order a new card.

So indirectly, you just said, "Fuck off, do whatever you want", right? That is too unprofessional.

I mentioned Netflix as an example. None of us knows if Shasan actually subscribed to Netflix or other online services. Let's say you subscribed for weekly game credits, which cost $5 per week, and you had $50 on your card. You used the same card to subscribe to another service, but you forgot to top up your card; now, the game company keeps trying to renew your weekly subscription once it expires, and you have no clue until you log in. Actually, I think these things happen sometimes, regardless of who uses them. It does not mean much if someone is a lender who has a good amount of crypto in their wallet. Not keeping a hefty amount in an anonymous card is a wise decision. I would blame him if he kept more than a thousand dollars.

Look, if your rules say you have to arrest a criminal, you have to arrest him. But you cannot kill him.
In this case, there would be no problem in blocking the card since your rules say you have the rights. But you just deleted the card. Why do you keep ignoring this point? I will tag you within the next 24 hours if you keep ignoring this repeatedly. I asked the same question before, but you ignoed it.