Hey team,
I was asked by Little Mouse to take a look at this thread and leave a comment, so below are my comments. Keep in mind that I'm not associated with anyone in this thread.
Some facts before I start:
#1. Every Operator that doesn't have a license and offers NO KYC is a high risk operator, since you can't prove anything and there's no one to fight.
#2. Every NO KYC sportsbook operating without a license has a very strict TOS and hates arbitrage betting and uses that TOS to fight everyone and anyone.
#3. AskGamblers will put little to no effort into resolving issues that look like a waste of time, especially with a non-licensed operator, and a newly registered user under a troll nickname.
#4. The Player/OP mentioned that he's active on several operators that share the same sportsbook provider and verified on them, this is labeled as a high risk behavior
#5. The situation is NOT A SCAM if the Operator labeled it as arbitrage, returned the Deposited funds, but confiscated Bonus funds and Winnings.
#6. The situation IS A SCAM if the operator confiscated deposited funds and ignores the player
#7. The situation IS COMPLICATED if you left 1 BTC with the operator in 2014 and returned in 2025 to withdraw it. During our crypto casino operation we let these things slide even during the volatile periods, but I can imagine that some other operators don't want to do that because you're literally giving money away for free since you've converted those coins at the end of each month.
#8. Scam accusations on this forum do not get traction, and it's very hard to appoint a headcount to manage them and reply to each individual post. So whoever is replying, is replying in their free time, so treat them with respect, they are just trying to help.
#9. User Generated Casino reviews on all platforms are mostly low, because only the losing users are the vocal ones. No one is going to go and share how they won 50 eur one day, that is really rare.
From my side what I would like to know is:
#1. OP can you confirm if you have been using several different operators with the same odds provider?
#2. OP can you confirm if your initial deposit of 201.37€ was refunded or confiscated?
what pisses me off about this is that the player has no way to prove they did nothing wrong. i mean, how exactly do one prove they didn't do "fraud"?
If I see that your e-mail, card or wallet is registered with 10 different sportsbook providers, you're planning the fraud, but I can't tell you that yet, I'll just flag you for the next person who will review you.
If the Game Provider gives me a list of all your arbitrage bets across those 10 different providers, you did the fraud, but I can't waste my time on telling you that because I have 10000 of similar accounts in my inbox.
If you're covering your ass with different mails and throw away cards, you're still human and are leaving a footprint in the matrix, a matrix that has been trained for the past 30 years, and you started cheating operators 6 months ago. I wrote an example somewhere on the forum where I mentioned how we accidentally caught one user with 6 mail accounts and each of them had the same amount of dots and S letters. Also betting and gambling patterns are easily recognized since there are systems in check to flag it up for us.
+ another 6 or 7 situations where it's really easy for me, as a business, to see that you're scamming me.
How to prove that you didn't do arbitrage? By being a genuine player.