Interesting. Are there any lawyers on this forum?
I wonder if the bookmaker's rules are the law? In the sense that in normal countries it has long been forbidden for any organization to write in small print rules that openly violate the rights of citizens. If the bookmaker writes in the rules that there is no desire in the match, it may not pay you and you agree with these rules upon registration. Is it possible, in case of refusal to pay your money, to file a lawsuit and resolve the situation in your favor???

Why am I asking this!? Because confiscation of winnings is essentially also illegal, and even more so confiscation of deposits. I want to ask a lawyer. If another bookmaker steals money, referring to its rules. To what extent is such an action legal??? I understand that having a small amount in the account, going to court is extremely expensive. But what if each complaint is sent to a pool of collective complaints with subsequent sending to court, if the required amount is collected!?
Will this be a new stage of interaction between players and bookmakers, when theft under any pretext will be severely punished? And only one way will remain for the bookmaker - to become a professional, work without "mistakes", stop giving out bonuses that cannot be taken, etc., etc.

Nonsense - these are all your comments! You demonstrate bad manners when you do not answer direct questions.
I ask you specific questions, but you do not answer them.
I give you specific examples, but you do not comment on them.
Just like your notion that an arbitrage situation must necessarily have a reverse bet - also nonsense! You think that this is a rare situation - also nonsense. You do not fully understand what you are writing about, but you are actively participating in the dispute ...

Rules that cannot be proven or disproved are fraud!
If a backer takes away all the winnings from players who made their bets on arbitrage, then he is also obliged to exchange all lost bets! But this will never happen. This is fraud!

The question is not who benefits from how to work. The question is about fair play! I give you indisputable facts that taking away winnings due to bets on arbitrage is fraud! But you're trying to poke me that I agreed with the casino rules myself. Do you even know that every casino without exception has a rule that any bet on an account can be cancelled without explanation??? If I cancel all your bets without explanation, what kind of face will you have? BUT you agreed to this when registering! DO NOT be indignant! It is the application of illegal rules that determines the bookmaker's rating and no one cares that theft is legal in its rules!

If you don't agree with my position, then start by answering basic questions:
1. If the casino says that arbitrage bets are prohibited. But I still made such a bet and lost. Will such a bet be cancelled according to the rules and the lost money be returned to the account?

2. How exactly can you check and document as evidence that your bet is not (or is) arbitrage?

Also, I want to upset you very much! In some situations, any bet on a specific outcome within a specific bookmaker will be arbitrage!!! If we take the match Arsenal and Bayern. Then the English bookmaker will experience a huge influx of bets on their home team and the bookmaker will lower its price, setting 1.88 - 2.05. And the bookmaker from Germany, on the contrary, will have a lot of bets on Bayern's victory and will lower its price to 2.05 - 1.88. But there will also be a third bookmaker who does not have a large volume of bets on one particular side and gives the most correct estimate of 1.97 -1.97 for the match. So in this case, both sides for bets are arbitrage!!! This situation is really rare, but real! You will be deprived of winnings regardless of what outcome you bet on!!! Will you continue to argue that the bookmaker's lies with reference to arbitrage bets are legal???

1. We are not interested in the profitability of the casino! We are discussing the legality of confiscation of winnings. And the correct formation of community views. If bookmakers allow themselves to steal someone else's winnings by accusing them of arbitrage, this should greatly lower their rating and trust, because this is not fair play on the part of the casino! We are not going to impose our rules on the casino, but if the casino refuses to adhere to fair play, its rating will be at the level of 3 out of 5 with perfect work.
2. Do not answer for me! If I ran a casino business, I would do everything to ensure that it worked honestly, because the main AND ONLY income of any casino is the embedded margin! And casino profits are gigantic. The main thing is that you have many regular customers. If your rating is perfect, then this will definitely happen.
I repeat to you once again that the same bet made at different times can be arbitrage and non-arbitrage. You ask, "would I accept the bet if it brought me a loss?" - the answer is naturally no. BUT you are confusing the concepts of the future tense and the past! "Will I pay if I accepted the bet???" - that is the right question!!! And naturally any honest bookmaker is obliged to pay on accepted bets. I hope you do not doubt this? If you are sure that the client makes bets that you do not like, will you continue to accept them? No, this is the right of any casino and it is honest.  And you don't ask the casino why you offer outcomes that are not allowed to bet on? You don't ask why the outcomes with arbitrage odds aren't highlighted in red so that I definitely don't bet on them!?

And once again I ask you specifically memehunter. If the bookmaker's rules prohibit making arbitrage bets. If I made a 100% arbitrage bet and it loses, will you cancel the bet and return my deposit??? I think the answer is clear, no one will return your lost bets. This is fraud!!! I hope you will not argue now?
And also try to answer the question, how can I documentarily confirm that my bets are not arbitrage? because I don't know the answer to this question and this is another fact that this rule can be applied to any player as unproven.

oh my god. there is no question here how they do it... the question of the legality of stealing winnings by referring to arbitration...

I completely exclude the exchange of data between casinos on customer bets. Moreover, any business will not tell you on a silver platter about what activity it has. I will tell you more, an arbitrage bet (or a bet on an overvalued value) should not have a downside at all! Most likely, this happens like this: there are certain bookmakers - idols, which are considered market-forming. They have huge turnovers and they can turn over any small casino (I mean that the odds line will be stronger and the small casino is forced to adapt to the strong one) for the very reason that I described above - small casinos do not have their own opinion! So let's imagine that we took 5 idol bookmakers and every second scan their displayed odds for each market. every second we will form a chain of 5 numbers 1.51 1.52 1.51 1.50 1.53 and, accordingly, the coefficient inverse to them. A graph is built based on the highest value from time and then this graph is superimposed on the graph of your coefficients on the inverse coefficient. Then it is a matter of chance, what a particular bookmaker considers arbitrage, it will be superimposing a graph on plus several percent or it will be approaching the graph to minus several fractions of a percent. This is elementary mathematics, the point is not even whether the bookmaker exchanges the graph of the movement of its coefficients or the bookmaker steals someone else's line.
No need to discuss the detection method. All you need to know about it is that bookmakers do it very quickly and very well. However, they continue to offer you such coefficients for bets! Why?

I spent a lot of time to convey to you the real situation. But you just tie everything to a specific case... I did not demand mandatory verification of each participant! I only pointed out that the casino's refusal to ask the client to verify his account is bad form and should lower the casino's rating very much! Do you understand the difference???

The casino has a rating. And it is influenced by various factors. My message on this forum is to convey from inexperienced community members how the casino cheats them even before the game starts! So if the client wants to get verification before the game starts, then the casino is obliged to do it! If the casino refuses, then this should lower the casino's rating! And I do not demand mandatory verification of each player at all, but there is not a single casino without verification (except for outright scam casinos)! And if you are promised that there will be no verification - this is an outright deception! Also, if the casino itself requires verification before starting the game, it is honest and respectable!
And please do not think that I came to someone else's business and started telling them how to work. If you have your own casino, you can do whatever you want, but you should know that your rating will be very low if you do not follow the basic rules of fair play!

Specifically, this topic is related to another fraud - confiscation of winnings due to suspicion of arbitrage bets.
There is no unfair play in these bets. I described above that the same bet on the same outcome but made at different times can be arbitrage or not arbitrage!
Therefore, if you see that a bookmaker confiscates a client's winnings based on arbitrage bets, you must clearly understand - this bookmaker is engaged in fraud!

And I would really like a truly knowledgeable person to write an answer to my question - how can I document each of my bets that it is not arbitration? What if a bookmaker accuses me of arbitration and confiscates my money, and in response I send him a lawsuit with evidence that each of my bets was 100% not arbitration!!! How to prove this? And if you do not have an answer, then this topic is 100% in the dark zone, the zone where the bookmaker steals money without proof! This means that this behavior must be harshly condemned by the entire community and, naturally, greatly lower the casino rating!!!


We are not naming specific names or cases now. I want the community to form the correct view of reality!

I really want some bookmaker representative to join this thread and finally answer a basic question - If a bookmaker can easily and quickly determine a player's arbitrage bets, then why does the bookmaker offer such odds for bets at all? Why doesn't the bookmaker adjust the odds just as quickly to eliminate even the possibility of such bets forever?


If at 13-00 this bet was not arbitrage and you happily accepted it. Then at 14-00 the same bet on the same odds suddenly became arbitrage and at this particular time, you are no longer happy with such a bet! Why? Are you not professionals in your field? Do you have no opinion of your own and you rely only on the opinions of others? You will never punish me if I bet on roulette on red at odds of 1.9, if suddenly some idiot will offer 2.2 on black!? Because you know for sure that it is profitable for you! Why can the same bet on the same match, but at different times, be considered undesirable??? and some fraudulent bookmakers can even steal all your money for such a bet!

Just recently I encountered a problem that some casinos (not all) refuse to verify your account before you start playing! When asked why? they simply answer "we have such rules". Then I tried to convey to the Bitcointalk community that such a refusal may of course be in the casino rules, but it simply must have a negative rating! This is bad form! And the refusal to verify your account before you start playing directly indicates a dishonest trick on the part of the casino, which allows you to cancel your winnings in case of violating the casino rules, but does not prevent you from losing your new and new deposits over and over again. Considering that 98% of players lose everything over the long term, then there is a very high probability that, knowing in advance that you are violating the rules, the casino keeps silent about it and accepts your money until you suddenly get lucky and want to withdraw something! A representative of the Betcoin.AG casino wrote that everything about your account is immediately known at the time of registration. That no verification is needed. However, when asked why you provide a deposit address if you know in advance that such a player will be disqualified, the casino representative did not comment. But it is immediately clear that the casino will gladly accept your money, even if it knows in advance that no one will pay you any winnings, and maybe they will also take away your deposit.
And please do not write that only scammers have problems of this kind and that they are punished correctly. There are a huge number of cases when honest players are robbed under the pretext of violating the rules!
I hope that each of you has clearly established for yourself that it is necessary to permanently exclude casinos that refuse to verify your account at your request before the start of the game!!!

Now we will discuss another problem that I saw on the forum - theft of money from customer accounts under the pretext of arbitrage bets! There are a lot of such disputes. In some cases, bookmakers allow themselves to steal even the deposits of such a client. The purpose of my article is to very simply prove to you that such an action is illegal and immoral! I really hope that the all-knowing representative of the bookmaker Betcoin.AG will also comment on this issue. As a representative of the business, he will show us a view from the other side.

For those who do not know, an arbitrage bet is a bet that was made on a coefficient with a higher, relative to the market, valuation. If most bookmakers offer a coefficient of 1.4 for Barcelona to win, and your bookmaker offered 1.6 (why he did this, we will analyze further), then rest assured that the bet on this outcome will be regarded as an arbitrage!!!

I do not know how it works. But I know for sure that the bookmaker does not like when players place arbitrage bets, this is a fact. Another fact is that arbitrage bets are immediately determined. And if you made an arbitrage bet, rest assured that it will be 100% marked. And I really want to get an answer to the question - WHY DO BOOKMAKERS OFFER ARBITRAGE ODDS FOR BETS, BUT SO CRUEL PUNISH THOSE WHO MAKE THEM??? Why are arbitrage bets so easy to determine, but why are they not excluded from the possibility of making them at all??? What is this, a provocation? Or does the bookmaker create a situation for itself in which, on the one hand, bets with an increased margin, and on the other hand, all bets will be canceled? One-way acceptance under the best conditions? I really want to hear a comment from a business representative, why do you offer such bets and then punish so harshly!?

I also came across some explanations from experienced bookmaker employees who explain the possibility of arbitrage situations in general. The thing is that when a situation arises when almost all players make the same bets, the bookmaker deliberately understates one side and unintentionally raises the other side. THIS IS DONE DELIBERATELY! The bookmaker also consciously accepts bets on arbitrage bets because everything is fine with him and there is an even win. And here we need to draw a conclusion: 1. the bookmaker is happy to accept your bets and he needs them 2. the bookmaker definitely does not like it if you bet only on such situations. Here it has become even more difficult to assess, so why do you punish such players so harshly if you do it all with your own hands??? the answer is simple, bookmakers with harsh punishments for arbitrage bets cannot be called bookmakers at all! in fact, they are copying stations that do not have their own opinion and only copy numbers without looking. So when a real bookmaker with a huge customer base is doing well, these small guys go betting in one direction and create risks to either win or lose. But even in this case, your odds were set with a pre-set margin! Why do you allow yourself to steal customers' money with such bets???

But things turned out to be even worse! In fact, this has become one of the forms of fraud by bookmakers! By accusing a player of arbitrage bets, a bookmaker gets an unsubstantiated base in which there is no way to dispute it! Moreover, the Bitcointalk community even takes the side of the bookmaker "aaah, he placed such bets. oh, not good. right that you take away all his money!" ARE YOU SERIOUS??? At what point did your community decide for itself that the odds that the bookmaker itself offers, suddenly cannot be placed??? Tell me, is the arbitrage bet highlighted in red? How can I know that it is definitely not arbitrage? I have a question for the bookmaker's representative (or maybe there is a very competent expert) HOW CAN I, WRITING DOWN EVERY BET, IN CASE OF ACCUSATION OF ARBITRATION BETS, PROVE THAT THIS IS NOT SO? and even more importantly, will the bookmaker itself accept this evidence, hinting that it is all drawn, and that its data is correct!?

I was looking at this bookmaker
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177893.460
and the last post, a community member with the status of a legendary writes that his account was closed due to arbitrage bets. I went to the website of this bookmaker and was simply shocked! These are super low odds! I am more than sure that no arbitrage situations can arise there at all in principle! That such tricky accusations are just another way of fraud! (I don’t want to say this outright, but it looks like that’s the case)

In the 21st century, I can easily register two good bookmakers and place bets on my favorite teams where they offer the best odds! BUT you are in the risk zone! An ordinary player cannot bet on a best offer from a bookmaker because you can get an arbitrage bet, and there they will take everything away from you at once. Do I now need to look at what other bookmakers offer and bet where the odds are lower??? And if there is one inadequate bookmaker who creates an arbitrage situation with everyone!? Will I be guilty again?
From this moment on, I want to understand once and for all how I can 100% exclude the possibility that my future bet will be arbitrage? And how can I document such evidence???

Now let's all prove to any bookmaker that canceling winnings in arbitrage bets is extremely illegal and immoral! And that this action must lower the bookmaker's rating and lead to its gradual withdrawal from the market! What if I make several arbitrage bets and document that the bets were arbitrage. Then, by chance, my bets lose. I submit a request on the forum that, according to the casino rules, arbitrage bets are prohibited and all such bets must be cancelled!!! WILL THE BOOKMAKER RETURN MY LOST MONEY IF I PROVE WITH DOCUMENTARY PROOF THAT MY BETS WERE ARBITRATION AND ACCORDING TO THE BOOKMAKER RULES THEY SHOULD BE CANCELLED? I'll tell you how it will be. You will either be prohibited from placing bets for no reason, or you will simply be allowed to continue placing bets! THIS IS THE SAME FRAUD on the part of the bookmaker and nothing more! The arbitrage player himself is not a fraudster, because everything is fair!

There is a lot of text, but if you read it all, I hope you will once and for all look with a negative judgment at the bookmaker who stole the winnings from the client, referring to arbitrage bets! You must have the right perception.

Are you trolling? It's very hard to talk to you when you constantly steer the conversation away from the point...

The point of the conversation: The casino's refusal to verify the account before the game starts.
Reason: Elimination of unfair casino play.

When you register an account, you have no restrictions on deposits and money losses. However, if you win, you risk losing all your money if you suddenly fail verification.

Earlier, the bookmaker's representative blurted out too much!!! And wrote for us that when registering from the very beginning, it is already known that you are violating the rules and that your account will be blocked in advance. Then how do you explain the fact that these accounts do not receive a permanent ban on deposits and betting??? but all the same! UNFAIR PLAY, according to which you are allowed to lose your money, even knowing that you will initially be deprived of winnings!

My goal is for you to understand once and for all that the company's rules are nothing! Empty lines that have nothing to do with the law. And if they contradict the law on the protection of players' rights, then they should be deleted altogether. Maybe now you look at me as a fool, who is trying to go against world practice. But it is each of you who forms world practice!!! The refusal of a casino to verify an account before betting should be perceived negatively by society! And in the future, in an ideal world, the company's license should initially oblige companies to carry out mandatory verification before the start of the game!!!

When you open disputes with the casino, in absolutely 100% of cases you will see such lines - "I was blocked and asked to undergo verification". Yes, each of us understands that no verification of the casino is needed, that identifiers for checking your account have already gone beyond the understanding of the average user. And from the first seconds of your account's life, the casino has already decided what to do with you. Then why can you still place bets??? Provocation? Easy money for the casino?

Verification is not necessary for you! It's for the clients!
Why are you calling me a scammer if I've never placed a single bet with you???
Your job was not to be rude! If you had smiled from the very beginning and offered me verification in a kind manner, and after I did, dispelled all doubts that I "allegedly wanted to deceive someone." You would have simply sent me a letter stating that verification had not been completed and sent me the rule that holydarkness sent me. That's the end of the story!

You think that I created a second account to hide... I sincerely don't remember when it was and what I discussed there!!! Take it easy!

I've already proven to you that your refusal to verify is a direct step towards unfair play! Why are you starting to attack me?

I don't understand why you write such comments.
The question is very simple:
1. I created an account.
2. If I make a deposit, will I even be allowed to play to lose my money!
Why do you all ignore this topic???

I have already admitted many times that according to the rules I cannot be allowed to play. Thanks holydarkness, the screenshot clearly shows everything.

In my specific case, I had doubts that the chat worker is competent in this matter. Therefore, I decided not to guess, and to take the simplest step, as it seemed to me, - to request verification of my account!

Instead of you starting to condemn the casino, for they certainly oppose the rules of fair play, you start pointing out that I have no rights. Are you out of your mind? That's not how the community works!

And now the casino representative is blacklisting me for something I didn't even do??? Apparently, the way I exposed their tactics to steal money really hurt them!

Until each of you understands that casinos like Betcoin.AG intentionally create unfair play by pushing verification to the last stage. And even if the player asked for verification in advance, they do everything they can to prevent it!!! Read this part of the text! And finally, start working as a community that will condemn the scammers! If the casino refuses to provide verification before the start of the game, then this should dramatically lower its reputation!!! You as a community should not side with the casino, you all as one should support anyone who asks for verification before the start of the game. And the casino, in turn, if it does not want to deal with the client, should simply send a letter that says - "sorry, but you have not passed verification" THAT'S IT!!! SHORT STORY!!!

I'm talking about the post #3565  in topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.new#new

I believe that a company representative has no right to insult people. And I am specifically insulted by these statements:
"Perhaps you were going to get someone else to verify for you."  and "now you will look like a liar for the rest of the life of your BitcoinTalk account."

ok. you are right. there is no option to demand financial compensation. i removed it.
however i have the right to demand to remove a post with public insults if the moderator doesn't care about all this!

ok
Indeed, some casinos are not very clear about this rule. While Betcoin.AG has it absolutely clear without any possibility of misinterpretation.

Could you please invite Betcoin.AG to this thread and comment on what exactly I lied about? This was a very rude comment towards me. After that, I was blocked from commenting. I was not trying to deceive anyone! I wanted to honestly get permission to play or not. And that would have been the end of it! Will he be able to consider deleting this post accusing me of something I did not do???

Got it.
Usually this restriction is only related to the license issue in providing access to services. That is, you can't use them if you don't have permission. But in the last screenshot it is written that even if you have permission due to your second citizenship, you are still prohibited from betting if the first one contradicts our prohibitions... Very strange. What is this? Racial hatred???
OK, in my case there is no other way but to admit that according to this rule I don't have the right to bet in this casino.
OK, I have to admit that the casino is not obliged to fulfill the banal requests of its clients to verify the account before starting the game. However, this is the problem! If it was obliged to do this, I would have simply pointed it out to them in the support chat. But I wanted to point out to the whole community that this action is contrary to fair play! And that the Casino should not prohibit verification before starting the game! Simply because such a refusal is bad form for a casino and is one of the types of fraud - "you are allowed to lose all your money, but in case of winning, you will definitely be checked"

And most importantly. Why does a casino representative allow himself to rudely call me "liar for the rest of the life" What was my lie? Why does a casino representative allow himself to make such statements? I demand an apology and the removal of this phrase!

Since the bookmaker's representative publicly insulted me and lied, and then I use the right to moderate the chat, does not allow leaving messages, I create this topic.


My complaint to the representative of Betcoin.AG
A brazen, shameless boor allowed himself a public insult https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.msg65324944#msg65324944
Requirement: Public apology
Fine: 0.0001BTC

It all started when I simply asked the casino to verify my account before the game started. What seemed like a simple request was perceived extremely negatively and resulted in public insults from the casino.

I will try to describe as briefly as possible the reason for my request to verify my account before the game started.
I have been living in another country for quite a few years now and I recently received a document certifying my residency in another country.
If you live in one of the European countries, then most likely you have never encountered racism against you, just because your passport belongs to the "wrong" country. But now I have almost a second citizenship and casinos have opened for me where registration was previously prohibited. Why do I ask for verification before starting the game? Because it turns out that the document issued to me in a new country is not recognized by every automatic verifier!!! I described the whole situation in the casino in advance (which I will not specify), I received a clear, understandable answer in the chat that there would be no problems, that verification never happens for amounts below 2 thousand dollars and other lies ... At the first attempt to withdraw money, I encountered a problem where the verifier did not accept my document and after the investigation they refused to pay me the winnings! Fortunately, using the Askgamblers platform, I managed to defend justice and the winnings were paid. However, all this cost me nerves and I would not like to get into such a situation again. And the problem is aggravated by the fact that the casino has no responsibility for its actions. In fact, in the worst case, they will simply return your money to you and also get approval from the community, how good they are. Any fines for theft are not considered at all.
valuable experience: 1. in the support chat they lie to you (or unknowingly tell you a lie), in the end they will always poke you in the company's rules. 2. There is a risk that my new document will not be accepted and I will get problems again.


But I still want to continue betting. I carefully selected a casino with a history and the platform suits me more than. I open the support chat and start asking about my new country, that everything is allowed. Remembering that they lie in the chat, I double-checked it in the rules. everything is fine. And then I start asking about the verification process, how it will go. To which the chat worker begins to assure me that you can safely make a deposit and bets, we almost never have verifications. Then I describe my situation and say that if it does happen, will I have any problems? And then the operator replies that you can't register with us with your passport! I get a complete contradiction!!! On the one hand, I have every right to register and place bets, on the other hand, my passport is not accepted. But I don't need it if I have an ID of another country! I decide that why should I risk it, I just need to go through verification and everything will be resolved at once!!! WITHOUT any guesswork!
And so I simply ask to verify my account to eliminate any problems. Just resolve this issue from the very beginning!!! To which they reply that you will not be verified. And so I write a post on the Bitcointalk forum, in which I point out that my request does not violate the casino rules in any way and that, within the framework of fair play, the casino could conduct verification and close my issue. To which I encountered a clear negative indication from the community that why am I asking for such a thing, that "we don't do that". This turned me on even more, when slaves tell you that you have to obey, we all obey, this makes you argue even more!
I gave examples in which early account verification is not just a rule of good manners, but it is also a guarantee of fair play for the player and compliance with the rules of the casino license agreement! Which is in the best traditions that the entire world community should strive for - verification before the start of the game! Because verification after the game is fraud on the part of the casino! YOU can lose as much as you want without verification, but in case of a win, we will definitely check you! very comfortable ...

And here is the culmination. The bookmaker's representative appeared.
As usual, in his boorish manner, he begins to publicly insult me. He calls me almost a malicious multi-account user and I WANTED to deceive them! Most importantly, this boor called me "a liar who will be one for the rest of his life" !!!

I just wanted to get verified before I started playing! But instead, the casino rep is throwing mud at me and accusing me of something that didn't even happen.

After that, Betcoin.AG starts deleting my posts to give the impression that I admitted my guilt (who knows what to admit here) and essentially does not allow me to point out the lies on the part of the casino!!!

He points out that it turns out that I already had other accounts before and that I am so bad that I deliberately disguised myself using another account. Can YOU directly answer that there was not a single bet or deposit on the old account, just like on this one??? And now they write to me that they will steal my deposit if I make it, because of multi-accounting! All this is written in a very rude manner! Are YOU out of your mind? You declare to the entire forum that you are stealing other people's deposits without having a good reason! That an account without a deposit is generally considered inactive and cannot be considered a multi-account!!! But apparently you only dream of stealing other people's deposits, and are looking for a convenient moment!
Earlier I already wrote a comment like "you have nothing to fear if you are a regular user. Play and everything will be fine" NO WILL NOT be fine!!! You see that it doesn't take much to steal your deposit! And do you know that the casino prohibits the use of VPN services??? So who knows, maybe if you turn it on online, they will steal all your winnings and deposit. Who knows!

Betcoin.AG you accuse me of lying, because how exactly did I lie to you??? All I wanted was to pass account verification! Even if I didn't pass it. That's where it all ended. But why do you stubbornly demonstrate that fair play is not for you???

I demand an apology and the deletion of this post https://prnt.sc/b7HNt00EF_q2

Are you on your period? Or do you have a delusion that everyone around you wants to cheat you?

It's great that you compared my Bitcointalk account and my account on your platform. Although it may be a pity that you have so few clients, apparently things are really bad.
However, I did not understand your accusation of multi-accounting!? I personally ask you to go through verification in order to exclude the possibility of multi-accounting and other problems. If I registered a long time ago and did not make any deposits or a single bet, WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO ACCUSE ME OF MULTI-ACCOUNTING OR OF AN ATTEMPT TO CHEAT YOU??? Did you write such bad words to me with the hope that this will remove the dirt of your unfair play from you?
I don't remember exactly that I ever asked you about the possibility of accepting my documents. Maybe it was a long time ago. Since then, the situation has changed and I received the status of a resident in a new country for me! However, the document issued by the local authority is not accepted by all verifiers.
So what do we have: 1. I have a residence permit in a country that is not prohibited for betting 2. I have a permanent registration.
According to all your rules, I have the right to register and place bets! Moreover, I even have the right to sue you if you refuse to pay!

So for what reason are you refusing to register me? Because my country of birth is prohibited for betting??
Are you racists?

I have seen your rude attitude towards other clients before. But now what right do you have to talk to me like that???
I have never placed bets on your platform! Why are you writing nonsense about me wanting to invite another person to pass verification for me??? What is your lie based on???

There is not a drop of lies in my words! And with your behavior, it would be good for you to work with a psychologist! YOU are a casino representative, and you allow yourself such rudeness!

Are you even in your right mind to write such rudeness to me??? "will you be a liar for the rest of your life" ?
Are you calling me a liar for asking questions in the chat???
I have not made a single bet with you! By all the rules, I can create at least 10 identical accounts and if there is no activity on them, then this is considered an inactive account! Are you right now declaring in front of everyone that you confiscate deposits from people in such situations???
OOO is sure that you will definitely not wash such a disgrace from your account! And how wonderful that I managed to take a screenshot, you will not be able to edit it anymore https://prnt.sc/b7HNt00EF_q2
It turns out that all the reviews that you previously made in the comments to complaints are a gross lie!!! Just as you are now trying to pour dirt on me, you communicate with other clients in the same way!

Why did you have to stoop so low to insults? YOU could have verified the account and pointed out to me that I hadn't passed it and that would have been the end of it! Why did it offend you so much that I pointed out your thieving nature??? Now everything has been revealed.

[this post cannot be considered spam and is an explanation of the current situation. If it is deleted, I will have to create an accusation against the casino for public insults, slander and a demand for a public apology]

What is the problem with allowing your clients to undergo verification before starting the game?

And don't tell me about the company's rules again. There is no ban on verification before starting the game.

I spent a lot of time choosing a casino where I would like to place bets. I studied many important parameters for myself - a convenient interface, very good odds, a long history of work, the presence of a license, a convenient method for depositing. Of course, this is all a subjective assessment, but it at least somehow indicates the high level of the casino and my comfortable pastime.

Why are you advising me to try another? There are no problems with this elsewhere?! Then why is there a problem here?

I simply asked myself about my safety. But now I am already worried about your reaction ... Instead of telling the casino that why not show good manners and verify the client's identity, there is nothing prohibited in this. You are starting to tell me that I almost want to change the entire system of the company ... What is the main rule of the company in your opinion? Allow any client to lose their money without any checks, but be sure to check the client in case of a win???

Ideally, the license issued to the casino is simply obliged to force them to verify the player before the game is allowed! If you allow the player to place bets, and only after the result of these bets, start doing some checks - this is fraud! You will not agree with me here either?
Why is a teenager asked for documents when he wants to go to a bar? Why not the other way around? It would be funny if they checked the age at the exit, after the events have happened...

I wrote so many comments, not because I really want to place bets here(I actually still want to bet here), but I am simply already scared of the trend that is developing on this forum. Everyone who writes their comments tells me that I want too much. And my request is more than basic! And to the question - "why are you refusing me?", you answer me "usually we do not do this!" Well, maybe it's time to change for the better? Maybe we can start with my account and forever create the best tradition for everyone - to verify their clients before the start of the game??? change your traditions not specifically for me, but for all your future clients!
And I would really like for at least one member of the forum community with legendary status to write something along the lines of "I agree that this person's request is indeed justified and does not in any way contradict fair play!" Because it already seems to me that maybe I really am going crazy and telling a lamppost to get out of my way.

everything is correct. your comment absolutely clearly indicates why it is important for me to do this.
I had a problem in the previous casino. After verification, my documents were not accepted with the wording "they differ from the format supported by our verifier", the document is not in English. And the dispute ended with them taking away all my winnings and returning only my deposit! Fortunately, the complaint filed on the Askgamblers website allowed me to get my winnings back. But these are already details, as a result of which the casino steals money, and if they are caught red-handed, the most they will do is return your money to you!!! No one even thinks about any material fine for theft!

I have an absolutely banal request - check my documents and give me permission or refusal to accept bets in advance! My request does not violate the casino rules in any way. The rules say that the request can be made at any time! All I want is to protect myself! Why would anyone have a negative reaction to this???

Bookmaker representative, can you tell me why you refuse to simply verify my account before I start placing bets???

I really hope that you will allow this to be done. And verification of players before the start of the game will be laid down in the traditions of fair betting!

No, that's not how it works!

The verification process is a tricky move for the casino, which is always left in case the client wins something.
Why does no one have a question - does the casino have the right to allow its clients to place bets without checking whether the information provided during registration is reliable? Is the player really 18 years old? Is he not prohibited from playing?
The answer is very simple - all the casino rules exist for only one purpose - to steal your money!!! I am talking specifically about stealing! When they accept your bets, they do not care that you are breaking them. But how can a casino want to follow the rules when it is profitable for them?!

I am conducting an elementary test for fraud on the part of the casino - I ask to verify my account before starting the game! I want the casino to respect me as a player. I will bet from $ 1000. I do not want to have risks associated with verification!
Does anyone on the forum think that my requirement is too much of a burden for the casino? Everything is so simple. However, I get a refusal...

I already want to ask the casino a direct question - YOU directly indicate that you earn money by not paying out winnings to your clients because of verification? How do you explain your behavior, why do you refuse verification before the start of the game???