Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:


All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:


Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:


And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:

We have addressed our fairness policy with regards to Bitbrawlers before crycryptocry. We have no control of the twitch stream nor the results it produces. See our original quote below and the user (a competitor actually) we responded to below:

I can confirm that this is correct. We only collect a fee if there is a "WIN / LOSE" result, otherwise the bets are returned to players as if the match didn't happen.

Since this is player vs player, and all bets were returned to players as a push, all we can offer you is another bonus of 0.0035 BTC with a 25x rollover.

I did not realize this was in reference to bitbrawlers.

Sports betting is player vs house. However bitbrawlers is player vs player meaning you are betting against other bitbrawlers players betting on the brawlers not against the house. If a bet was graded as a push it means there was a bug in the system and the bet was returned to all players betting. Do you have any evidence such as the odds on your bet or a recording of your brawler winning the match?

Also we have already processed your withdrawal request. Can you confirm you received it?

If you feel your bet is graded in error then please use the dispute system we have in place in your betroar account where you view graded bets. Also your screenshot is not showing up.

I apologize for the delay on grading your bets @CryCrptoCry. Normally we have instant auto grading for many different sports, but unfortunately ping pong isn't one of these sports and it has to be graded manually, we have also been experiencing bottlenecks due to covid19 that the world is experiencing. Please bear with us and once again I apologize for your dissatisfaction.

I will submit your feedback to the developers (though do kindly note that our lead developer is actually sick with the coronavirus) and our intention is to add ping pong to our auto grading system as well as speed up our overall grading process. At the moment manual grading is done Monday to Friday. As a courtesy we will extend manual grading to Saturday and Sunday for all accounts that deposited their own BTC into our site to address the problem you described. A player who actually deposits would be getting top priority treatment when it comes to grading bets.

Also the fastest way to reach out to us for matters like this including your feedback would be to contact our customer service or to PM me directly.

Rollover is calculated (bonus BTC * 23x) for non deposit bonuses. I'll follow up with the grading team on the status of the pending bets. Also esports and football/soccer is still available too plus our bitbrawlers game. 

According to our terms and conditions, the bonus rollover can be up to 75x. We haven't given out 10x bonuses for a while now if you look through the thread history. Bonus rollovers in the FAQ are examples only (and the examples includes a 10x and a 25x rollover) and and we aren't legally obligated by it. I have adjusted your bonus rollover to 23x and also gave you an extra 0.001 BTC bonus as well.

Hi there! We just deposited your bonus into your account. Enjoy!

Thanks for the fair review!

There is absolutely zero doubt that Betme ("Lulajbruno" on Betroar) is a confirmed cheater who tried to place a bet after the event occured. What is unclear is how extensive the cheater ring he or she is involved in is and this requires further investigation. We had detected several accounts doing this, including one that was paid out, and was even brazen enough to confirm the withdrawal on this thread. Thus we require to do a deep investigation and the account will remain in its current state until we complete our investigation. Lulajbruno thinks a month is too long, but frankly we disagree and will take as long as we need.

Below is the current evidence we have against Lulajbruno:
 
 
FIGURE 1.0: THIS WILL SHOW WHEN USER “Lulajbruno” ACCOUNT WAS CREATED. IT WILL SHOW THAT THIS WAS PLANNED AND STRATEGICALLY CREATED FOR THIS UPCOMING GAME IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM AND BET ON GAMES THAT ALREADY PASSED.



FIGURE 2.0: ENCIRCLED IS THE TIME WHEN THE BET WAS PLACED AND THE TIME IS IN PHILIPPINES STANDARD TIME AT MARCH 12, 2020 01:55 AM PHT *OR* MARCH 11, 2020 06:55 PM CET. PLEASE CHECK THE NEXT IMAGE SHOWING WHEN THE GAME STARTED.



FIGURE 3.0: HERE IT WILL SHOW WHEN THE GAME STARTED WHICH IS AT MARCH 12, 2020 01:00 AM PHT OR MARCH 11, 2020 06:00 PM CET



FIGURE 4.0: COMPARE THE TIME DIFFERENCE. USER “Lulajbruno” CLEARLY PLACED THE BET AFTER THE GAME OCCURRED. NOTE THAT HONG KONG TIME IS THE SAME AS PHILIPPINES TIME.



FIGURE 5.1: THIS IS A CHAT CONVERSATION WITH USER “Lulajbruno”, WHEN HE WAS MADE AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION ON PLAYERS WHO PLACED A BET AFTER THE GAME HAS BEEN COMPLETED. HE IS REQUESTING TO JUST WITHDRAW THE ORIGINAL STAKE AFTER HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT AND AFTER ABUSING THE SITE.



FIGURE 5.2: USER “Lulajbruno” THREATENING TO POST ON BITCOINTALK DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE’S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.

If possible provide me with the email address you used to create your betroar account via PM. If you aren't sure you can provide more than one email. You can also provide the blockchain transaction link too, but an email address would help even more. Did you lose your account because you cleared your cookies or something?

We're still working on it. I'll hit you up as soon as I have an update.

Sent you a PM!

I'm investigating this for you. Will PM you now.

I just you sent a PM!

The only evidence we have is that bets have been altered after the betting period has closed unfortunately. It seems like during the execution of the vulnerability, the original bet timestamp is overridden. I will however ask our security staff to double check to see if any other evidence can be gleaned.


Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:

Thanks Alex, this is a complex case and there was a lot of internal discussion about this one. Ultimately we decided that this player was not originally out to get us, but rather stumbled upon this bug and exploited it at a large scale. We decided that returning the original deposit to the user was the resolution that best satisfies our fairness policy as outlined in the terms of use linked below:

https://betroar.io/terms-of-service

No problem. Thanks again for your patronage.