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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 08/03/2015, 10:33:18 UTC
BetCoin doesn't have 2FA

The rest checked do

BetVIP I don't know
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 08/03/2015, 09:34:54 UTC
I don't know them all, but 2FA row is the most obvious.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 08/03/2015, 09:26:04 UTC
Missing a few obvious updates to the check boxes.
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Re: NitrogenSports.eu - SPORTSBOOK - POKER - BLACKJACK
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damakhun
on 26/02/2015, 13:06:33 UTC
Minor suggestion.

Edit to your footer that says "2013 - 2014 © Nitrogen Sports." to 2013 - 2015 © Nitrogen Sports.

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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 26/02/2015, 07:32:48 UTC
Bad company
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 24/02/2015, 20:57:01 UTC
In my opinion best books right now are nitrogen and casinobitco.in without close seconds, try those.
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Re: BetcoinSports.com-Ranks #1 Best Odds-NCAA BASKETBALL NOW!-NFL-Live-Casino-Poker
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 16:51:11 UTC
I'm doing research on bitcoin sites and played on your site extensively all products the other day. Litecoin is the only area I didn't test for myself just because I've never used litecoin before, but I am trying to understand what all sites offer. The reason for posting relates to this.

You say can come in for litecoin direct. but someone else is saying there is a conversion. How does that work? If possible can you tell me the specifics. When does a conversion apply if someone uses litecoin, and when does one not?
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Re: DirectBet – LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. Rated # 1 by Bitcointalk Members !
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 13:58:23 UTC
actually in your rules under Rugby League it says and I quote
"including any extra-time in any match where an official result is declared."

the match went into extra time, yet you say it was a draw. It was not a draw, Brisbane won by 2 points.

The rule that you are quoting is for 'Tournament points' and 'Tournament tries' bets. These bets are on how many points / tries will be scored during the tournament.

Your bet on the other hand was on a 3 way Match Odds of a particular game. It is not subject to the rule you were quoting.

When you placed this bet you had 3 selections to chose from, Wigan, Brisbane or Draw.

You selected "Brisbane" but the winning selection was "Draw" and therefore your bet did not win.

Extra time is not included in a 3 way Match Odds bets as was indicated by the presence of the Draw selection.

If you're looking for a Match Odds bet that includes extra time, look for a bet called "Match Odds - Golden Point" where a draw is not an option.

As an example, take a look at this bet :

St Helens v South Sydney

You will see that there are two types of Match Odds bets, one that includes extra time ("Golden Point") and one that does not.

We understand you were confused by this and as a courtesy we refunded your bet while also adding a specific note to the rules.


where can I find that in the rules please? or did you change the rules now? as in you added an extra little tweak in the rules so this wont happen again because you failed to state it anywhere in your rules originally and prior to this?.
getting even more shady, I wont be referring directbet to anyone as I think what you are doing is scamming people. shame really as I was on there every single day..

Kudos to them for adding a note, but this is way beyond standard. On 3-way markets where the options are home/draw/away (called 1X2 betting) regulation time only is used on all sports by all betting sources. The outcome would be no different if you bet the same market anywhere else.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 12:54:16 UTC
I have contacted with chat of anonibet and they don´t fix my account yet. I don´t understand why they need 3 days for fix my account, only they must change the password and fix the problem with 2 steps verficadtion code. I offer them all my colaboration: by call, by email, by chat....All information but they says always they need 3 days¡¡¡ I don´t understand it. They have my account with 18 Btc¡¡¡

I take for tell a problem with several bets in a match tennis:

I did several live bets, for 1000 usd in the tennis match with a quote 2-2,5, pro Sara Errani. In the third set, the player brazilians injuried and retirment of the match. They voids all my bets. All rule say if the 1º set is over the bet of match is valid: Ladbrokes, Pinnacle, Betfair...
Anonibet don´t have rules about this and they do they want. I lost 1000-1500 usd for this voids bets...
What do you think about this? And about my blocked account with 18 BTC?


Your account is suspended because someone tried to hack it. That I'd suggest being willing to live with for a few days as it sounds more like they are trying to protect your account.

Your issue with the tennis complaint is valid, and one of the issues I stated in my write up I had during my first look at Anonibet. When evaluating any site, I'm one of the few people that reads every single thing they have in print. I was deeply concerned with their lack of sports specific rules.

Their entire betting rules are as follows:

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3.1 While connecting to Anonibet.com, it is the responsibility of the client to use correct username and password.

3.2 The minimum wager amount is 0.001 BTC or 1 mBTC

3.3 AnoniBet.com and its employees can not give credit to the clients. It is the responsibility of the clients to have sufficient funds in their accounts and make bets accordingly. AnoniBet.com reserves the right to cancel the bets accepted by error, where there were not sufficient funds in the client’s account to cover the whole bet.

3.4 AnoniBet.com keeps all transactions and contacts made with the clients through electronic means for the interests of the employees and clients. The relevant record(s) may be presented to the arbitrators in case of disputes that cannot be settled by the Management.

3.5 In single bets, the possible payout is calculated by multiplying the wager amount and the odds of the bet.

3.6 In multiple bets, the possible payout is calculated by multiplying the odds of all the selections in the coupons, and then multiplying the combined odd with the wager amount. In combined bets, for the coupon to win, all of the selected bets on the coupon must win.

3.7 The multiple bets can be placed in a manner that the result of a leg will not affect the other. In case that such coupon is accepted by error, the coupon shall be rendered invalid.

3.8 All the bets accepted are final and the Clients may not change or cancel the bet once the bet is accepted.

3.9 All odds/rates are subject to change in time and the odd when the bet is made by the Client will be fixed for that client and will not be subject to change.

3.10 AnoniBet.com shall not be responsible for the syntax errors For all the current offers regarding the odds. In such case, the bets in question will be void.

3.11 There are separate maximum payout limits for every bet in single or multiple bets in AnoniBet.com and these payouts are restricted with these limits.

3.12 The highest amount a person can win at AnoniBet.com as a result of one bet either single or mutiple, is 100 BTC. In case that the normal gain exceeds this limit, only 100 BTC is paid to the client. All multiple bets including the system bets shall be considered as separate bets. The time when the bets are settled is taken into account for this rule.

3.13 All bets, except the live betting events, are accepted until the commencement time of the event. All the bets wagered after the commencement of the event will be void.

3.14 The bets are settled upon the confirmation of the final results and the winnings are transferred to the Client’s accounts accordingly.

3.15 In cases where two competitors share the same rank in an event, and if an odd is not declared for this condition by AnoniBet.com, the amount to be paid for the bet is half payment amount (namely, half of money deposited for the bet + half of gain). In cases where three competitors share the same rank in an event, if an odd is not declared for this condition by AnoniBet.com, the amount to be paid for the bet is the one third of the payment amount (namely, the one third of money deposited for the bet + the one third of gain). If an odd is declared by AnoniBet.com for the sharing of the same rank by the competitors, the bets made for the other outcomes will lose.

3.16 In cases that a bet is settled in error, this condition shall be corrected within a short period and accounts are adjusted accordingly. If excess money is paid into the Client`s account as a result of improper bet settlement, all other following bets made with these funds are cancelled.

3.17 In cases where the events on which bet is made is postponed, if the event is commenced within 48 hours, the bets remain valid. If the event is postponed for more than 48 hours, the amounts wagered for the bet shall be returned to the Client’s account.

3.18 If either party of an event withdraws prior to the start time of the event, the event shall be cancelled and the amounts wagered shall be returned to the Client’s account.

3.19 In Soccer events, the score at the end of full time ( 90 minutes + injury time) shall be considered for determining the score, extra times shall not be counted. In cases of getting through the stage or winning cup where special bets are offered and prices are declared, the re-match, extra time and penalties are taken into account. A red card is accounted as 2 bookings. If a player gets a yellow and a red card, the total booking is 3 cards.

3.20 In Basketball events, the overtimes are also considered for determining the results for all bets. For the events where there is no overtime, the applicable rule in the basketball section shall be applied.

3.21 In American sports such as American Football and Baseball and the overtimes, or extra innings are also considered when determining the results for all bets.

3.22 In Ice Hockey, results at the end of regular time is taken into account. Extra time and penalties do not count.

3.23 The play-off results are taken into account for determining the final result in Golf.

3.24 In Rugby, the normal event period is taken into account for determining the result for all bests, the overtimes are not taken into account.

3.25 In Baseball, if the previously announced pitcher is changed, all the bets relating to that event will be void.

For all the hassle some people made about how direct bet had non-standard rules, I'm surprised not much mention was given to the fact Anonibet barely has rules in place. The above is mostly all used for explanation and terms. The rules by sport are extremely vague, and of course disputes with no rules to govern them such as yours were only a matter of time.

Now warning before you start reading, I don't think you win any dispute here. But some comments on it: an arbitrator in such disputes where rules are absent, would normally go to standard Las Vegas rules. If the bet was placed prematch and there is a consensus rule in Las Vegas on it, then that is what is used. But that generally applies to American sports, tennis not popular in Vegas. If it was live play then are even more out of luck. Basically if getting a fair shot by both sides, Anonibet should point to which rule was used to void the bet. The player could then argue why that rule doesn't apply. If it doesn't apply, okay is there actually a consensus rule? If Pinnacle, Bookmaker, SBO, William Hill, Ladbrokes, all had the same rule, where Vegas doesn't apply and the site has no rules, I think it is good enough and an arbritor would rule the rules at those sites are consensus rules (whichever way that might be).

In this case: you are out of luck. I happen to know 1) tennis betting rules on retirements vary site to site 2) in-play betting several sites do void those if the match doesn't go to completion. So you only have a dispute if they are handling it two ways. Unless others come forward and says their losing wager was graded as a loss (thus the site is grading losses as losses, and wins at pushes) we only have the issue they don't define rules in print the same way most sites do. But, nothing to change in the grading, just an issue to be aware of in the future, but you lose the dispute.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 08:06:44 UTC
Peeps to make sure this is clear, they offer a bonus that when someone bets 2-way efficient market at 1.90 per side, they expect a 4% ROI on their deposit with no exploitation or handicapping skills required. They offer this repeated on all deposits. They list no rules, but can at their own discretion without explanation adjust account balances after the fact to remove bonus from winnings as they see fit. <-- complaints or not that's the issue / their model. Yes, the complaints I'm aware relate to that. I believe one is waiting to see if SBR will discuss with them, the other I'm not sure where he stands, but yeah both relate to that policy. And, I only learned of those because I wrote about the risks of their offer looking at it clean without knowledge disputes were outstanding. I got responses from there.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 07:52:57 UTC
I'm aware of two others that haven't posted.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 07:22:18 UTC
Books still offer 3-team parlays on free plays and it still ins't +EV. It is simply optimal strategy for getting the most out of the bonus. Correlated parlays requires special skill set known to only some players. The situation here is vastly different:

At Anonibet no matter how square the better is, no matter who it is that is making the deposit, every deposit they make that gets a bonus that +EV. It requires degeneracy / lack of knowledge, foolishness or whatever you want to call it to ruin the EV, but it starts off that the mere action of depositing at Anonibet is a +EV action. That would be if they actually offered what they advertised they do. See the problem?

Edit to add a PS. It feels like we're secret agents using these handles lol. You know the people that made that comment, one you've debated with extensively in the past.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 07:03:11 UTC
Assuming an efficient market at 1.90 how would you exploit a 10% sticky bonus with a 1x using lessor amount of risk/reward?


Anonibet - I apologize for getting off topic. If you would like me to delete my posts, I will do so.


You don't even need to exploit it, it is +EV betting it straight.

This is not a traditional sticky bonus. All bets use bonus cash first. You are getting better than even money effective odds on 1.90 odds two-way markets.

Let me explain: deposit 100 get 110. Bet 110 on 1.90 it returns 209. You are now up 109 more than the 100 deposited and have met the full rollover.

Of your 209, 10 is a bonus that must be lost before it is cashed out. Now bet just that 10 over and over again in the smallest increment possible until it has all been lost (remember bonus cash is used first). on a 1.90/1.90 2-way efficient market you will average a loss of the 5% advantage the bookmaker has built into the line, the rest will have converted to bonus winnings. Thus all said and done you lose 0.5 of that 10 that was bonus.

So on an efficient market you deposited 100, and get 209 if win. Half the time you win so your expectation is +4.5 profit. In converting all the sticky bonus to cash just straight betting you lose 0.5 of that, bringing the expectation to 4. Therefore just betting an efficient market priced 1.90 per side, under their terms you expect for every 100 starting deposit amount to have 4 in profit (that's the EV of using it at 1.90/1.90 no matter how bets are broken down, you change variance but not EV, which is 4 per 100 deposited).

The above requires no exploitation, or anything else. It is purely free money they are handing out. Obviously that stuck out as a major red flag because it is offered on all deposits. Seeing it has no rules, and a what appeared to be a rogue term, I decided to inquire to make sure I had this correct.

As far as exploiting it, there are better uses. But as is this is a big risk. I can't help but feel this was a gotcha situation. Since I've become aware of real life complaints about this. In my private group, this was discussed. Smart players there mentioned anyone sharp that got caught by this is foolish and how they cashed out and stop betting when they seen this promo because figured either site was disappearing soon or would be using it in the way I suggested they could use it.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 04:36:57 UTC
At risk we're going to get off topic, as again the issue isn't in specifics.. the bonus cash is bet first. While it has a condition of a sticky bonus, in traditional terms sticky bonuses are reserve funds that are used only after the balance has been lost. You get a chance on going bust to use the sticky funds to win your way back to the positive. If so, can cash out the difference of cash less sticky remaining, but only if have met the generally large rollover terms. In general use, these have been the lowest value type of bonus. It has similarity to free play also, except bonus stake is returned, and then is used again as first stake on next bet. Therefore it functions much more like a cash bonus with a very minor caveat attached than it does free play or sticky. Again though issue isn't so much with the specifics, but is as explained in write up provider earlier.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 04:24:36 UTC
Peeps, that specific is mostly irrelevant. It is for all intents and purposes a 10% cash bonus with 1X rollover. It can be exploited at any odds. But also understand the bonus essentially also has NO RULES! As there are no defined rules, it is not possible to abuse the bonus. Anyone who has had retroactive adjustments to their account balance in my strong opinion has a legitimate gripe. But I wasn't coming in with knowledge there were outstanding complaints, just spotted this looking at their website fresh. They wouldn't even directly answer my inquiry as to what they'll allow. You've been around a long time, I'm surprised you never had issues with their model when giving them ratings a long time ago, and that seem to have tunnel vision towards specifics, over full context, when pointed out.
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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 22/02/2015, 04:03:32 UTC
Some forum "members" are always attacking Anonibet and try to discredit us as they did on several occasions in the past. You can look at their past messages and you will notice what they are trying to achieve.

Just to be clear here I'm not one of those members. I moderate the sports betting subforum at 2+2 as a volunteer, have my own gambling information websites, and have in the past written for some of the biggest sites. I researched Anonibet starting without any negative bias. I however find your model very concerning. If you wish to see a write up can find it here: http://sportsbettingsites.org/news/anonibet-rated-3421/ . Take it as an attack, or take it as feedback up to you. Fair gambling involves having clearly defined terms that are fair for the site and the player, that protect them both. Your bonus terms / policy are at best careless, at worst something else. IMO players deserve to be warned.

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Re: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation
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damakhun
on 21/02/2015, 06:09:30 UTC
Gold member just means they joined with and pledged a minimum $25,000 annually. The Bitcoin Foundation doesn't do any of the other things you suggested such as certify, endorse, or guarantee any company.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 19/02/2015, 11:50:39 UTC
Forgot to mention two-factor as a downside for Betcoin too.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 19/02/2015, 09:21:12 UTC
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Thanks for the input. Why do you think that Betcoin should be downgraded? I really like them.

Even the reddit guide added a warning next to their references, it shouldn't be too hard to find out what the issues are. But they probably shouldn't have been rated highly in the first place. How much do you know about them? Do you know who operates them? Past issues: lack of experience with SSL and didn't understand it quickly even after explained. Their practices for banking have been less than ideal too, and casual users became more likely to get their exchange hosted e-wallets suspended over it. More currently developing issues: horrible sometimes non responsive for days support. payouts sometimes taking days to be issued. etc. They say are busy working on new things, maybe true. But they started off a bit low on small list of sites I'd be comfortable sending players to already, now are on decline. Maybe they recover fine. but imo ratings are not effective when wait and see is used. Now in fairness that's just a response to the negatives. There are positives here too
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Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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damakhun
on 19/02/2015, 05:23:03 UTC
Anonibet is catching a lot of heat and may be wrong, in this current case, to be seen, but one of the reasons they were rated so high is that in my dealings with Michael, he has been 100% honest.

One person was overpaid 15 BTC by Anonibet.  When the player posted about it, Michael took full responsibility for the mistake. Michael said that the player wasn't a scammer. After that the player did pay Anonibet back. the player made a bet for 15 BTC and said if it won that he would pay back Anonibet. The bet won.

Anonibet didn't even bring the case to the forum. The player stated that he was overpaid.

Peeps. IMSO they are rated way too high. Most all the other popular bitcoin books, same as fiat currency ones, have comprehensive betting rules by sport. Anonibet has only a very small section in their terms and conditions that cover just the very basics. They offer a bonus that for all intents and purposes is like a 10% cash bonus on all deposits with only a 1X rollover. This bonus has no rules associated with it. The 1X rollover can be done at -20000 odds even. There is nothing else saying what is and what is not allowed. Yet, their only rules is they can adjust balances after the fact retroactively under their own discretion and with no explanation to remove past winnings. Some like their in-play betting platform but other sites use the exact same provider at lower margins (everything is a match just Anonibet has higher juice). Their prematch odds are also not very good. Those can be offset by bonus, but the bonus has major issues in the lack of terms followed by a catchall term.

Michael might be a great guy. Their company could want to operate fair. They however do not at least in print / policy conform to the standards of fair gambling that the oldest fiat currency books adhere to, and other bitcoin books use. It might be due to lack of experience, but that would be a concern too. I know they are the oldest for bitcoin, but some of these other books have management with decades in the sports side of the industry. I think even B- for them is too high, but could maybe swallow it. Having them rated higher than Nitrogen, Cloudbet and Casinobitco.in I don't think is wise.

BetCoin should also be no more than C or C+ and on watch imo. By watch I mean it could go either way with further adjustments from there.