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Re: [ANN] [SFR] SaffronCoin | Decentralized Exchange to release soon!
Any ideas why the price is decreasing? It's really illogical for me 
Man, it's easy to understand = no marketing -> price not growing -> other coins growing -> impatient/normal investors dump and go for coins with good marketing.
Dev is working fine but without marketing (gaining new markets, exchanges, advertising, informing publicity and so on) you will achieve nothing.
Couple of ideas:
1) change the name to sth that has at least any association with money = change coin name (SFR or saffron does not sound like money, but like sh*t coin,m sorry but it's like that = wtf is saffron will ask average internet user so that you want to associate if with money?)
2) get new exchanges
3) start advertising and sharing news
a) facebook/twitter/formus
b) set link to forum on coinmarketcap (to get at least 1/10 trust)
c) get crypto newspapers, get to bitcoinwisdom stats
d) be regular in news = get a good marketing guy
Crypto users scream about decentralisation idea as one of most important...
So tell me now: how is decentralisation idea alined with online wallet service?
So tell me now: how is decentralisation idea alined with online wallet service?
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
None of the premine was dumped, ever.
It was not used to buy Blocknet tokens.
And I was not aware that the premine was spent by mid-Sept until today.
I apologise - again - for our not having maintained a list of our spending of it. As the person in charge of PR, I take personal responsibility for this. I was not aware of Pizpie's statement on Reddit (and I'm not sure I was part of the team then), but I was aware of the importance of being transparent about spending.
Anyway, moving forward, we've got funding and we've got Dan's deep commitment to XC.
All's well IMO.
It was not used to buy Blocknet tokens.
And I was not aware that the premine was spent by mid-Sept until today.
I apologise - again - for our not having maintained a list of our spending of it. As the person in charge of PR, I take personal responsibility for this. I was not aware of Pizpie's statement on Reddit (and I'm not sure I was part of the team then), but I was aware of the importance of being transparent about spending.
Anyway, moving forward, we've got funding and we've got Dan's deep commitment to XC.
All's well IMO.
Classic. You must be the only one here who thinks all is well. As the head of PR, perhaps you would be able to tell us if the marketing guru from Addidas is still on the team? Do we still have some amazing marketing to look forward to or not?
+1 "Do we still have some amazing marketing to look forward to or not?"
This is the question I ask for 2 weeks.
I think these price dumps are good moments to focus on that:
1) prepare xchange roadmap - when we want to get.. btc-e maybe? or bitcoinwisdom charts?
2) fund some money for marketing maybe
3) make more noise on social networks
4) make more noise on crypto newspapers
5) prepare user friendly how to's and tutorial videos
6) refresh the webpage look
7) build community, not only talk about money and tech
buy some adds on coinmarketcap/exchangesWithout people/community/engagment there's no bright future.
Watch doge. Stupid coin? Maybe, but still stronger, not because of tech, but because of community.
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PS
Sorry for complaining again
Synechist, is this possible beside having tech roadmap/plans to show relevant marketing roadmap?
Just to know there are any marketing plans
(beside talking "it will be awsome") and how they are correlated to XC development and official announcment?Beside, not sure if good idea, but could we have some general ETA'a for XC public announcment? at least in form of year/quarter ?
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
0.0006 
what's next?!
0.0005 of corse
i'm holding until 0.0000
what's next?!0.0005 of corse
i'm holding until 0.0000
I have confidence in Dan...not the market manipulators. I'm hoping the code over the next few months puts all of these bastages in their place.
The code even if genius won't sell itself. Strong PR/marketing is always needed to get more people familiar with XC innovations + new XC on exchanges = price increase.
I have seen good products that were lost because of bad PR and shity products that were sold because of good marketing. That's the way it works. Even having genius product you still need to attract people by colorfull pretty adds. If not - other will do.
I'd like to hear if there are any "marketing campaigns" to be done for XC, or actions like aquiring new exchanges...
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
Maybe I'm wrong but I think that it pays off to but blocknet with XC only if you have purchased XC recently, because XC value recently was the lowest, and if you purchased XC 1 month ago, converting it now to blocks will be like loosing 2.5 time value...
Right or wrong?
Right or wrong?
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...
Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.
Its claims like this that make investors run away.
+1
i think so too. and it really sucks to see the price falling like a stone.
maybe the blocknet idea wasn't the best idea at all? i think publishing this idea after REV3 was released would be much better as we lost 30% in just a few days.
even most of the coins that joined the blocknet train are nearly worthless
Coin - Marketcap - Price change last 7 days
APEX - $ 62,861 +225.72 %
SSD - $ 126,504 +15.98 %
SWIFT - $ 491,164 +13.32 %
XST - $ 369,854 +1.69 %
NHZ - $ 188,442 -13.81 %
UTIL - $ 150,427 +31.07 %
FIBRE - $ 190,156 -11.86 %
XC - $ 1,942,676 -28.71 %
Why were only coins added that are nearly worthless?
Why didn't you try to get at least one coin that has a market cap > 1M$?
And as it seems nearly all of them increased in price only XC lost dramatically.
I think a blocknet would make sense when coins that already have a high marketcap join forces to
build something big but this somehow feels like XC is used to bring more value to some useless coins.
This is exactly my doubt - XC, top 20 coin associated itself with note know coins, so that unknown coins associated themselves with well known XC. Result I expect is "psychological value" flow from XC to those less known coins.
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
yesterday synechist said that people who are dumping are very stupid because they release news about blocknet soon (it was yesterday). now news are released and dumping isnt stops.. for that reason i think that many people doesnt believe in xc and blocknet.. its very sad
but its good for me because i will get some BTC in 6 hours and i would like to buy more xc at 100k
i hope i will jump in train at that price
but its good for me because i will get some BTC in 6 hours and i would like to buy more xc at 100k
i hope i will jump in train at that price I think dumping has little to do with technology, more about market developing.
XC does not develop it's market, which is gaining:
1) good exchanges with quite enough volume
2) possibilities to pay using XC
3) bulding community support and PR
XC is focused on technology, that's why after the boom in price it will decrease - it's market is not developing for a very long time, and I haven't seen any plans/rodemap about this, however it's very important for investors.
Better PR like Blackcoin have is required here.
I think what we need is to believe more in the people then technology itself
Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P
Guys Guys Guys...
only haters here?
Lets see it in a different way for coming investors:
1. Developer share their experience and create one big Blocknet which uses features of a lot of coins
2. What I understood there will be profit sharing Applications on the Blocknet (planned!) which give investors with a share some nice profit
3. This makes all coins only stronger because most of the coins cooperate already with each other
And honestly Don't reduce Blocknet to XC ... XC is a part, but if you look at SWIFT and Fibre you see competent developers working professional on a coin.. anyone who disagree with me on that point did not make his research !
only haters here?
Lets see it in a different way for coming investors:
1. Developer share their experience and create one big Blocknet which uses features of a lot of coins
2. What I understood there will be profit sharing Applications on the Blocknet (planned!) which give investors with a share some nice profit
3. This makes all coins only stronger because most of the coins cooperate already with each other
And honestly Don't reduce Blocknet to XC ... XC is a part, but if you look at SWIFT and Fibre you see competent developers working professional on a coin.. anyone who disagree with me on that point did not make his research !
Calling people haters you become one
Inteligent people have doubts.
Regarding your arguments:
1) Sharing experience is very nive. However... Lots of coins is no argument. People not need many unknown coins, just a single good
2) Profit of what? Unsuable coins? Here whalenet argument speaks to me more
3) Repeating 1) and 2)
I like the argument of cooperation, but what I see here is rather not understanding of people needs. That's why I have doubts in this project.
Again, what people and also business needs need is:
1. a) single good coin, b) extremly safe, c) user friendly coin, d) pretty design
2. a) mobile wallet and b) messagin platform, c) maybe other features like cloud storage
What people dont need is lots of coins and technology around they dont understand. They just want to make money transfer and pay for some goods easily.
Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P
1 question
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
this thing is whalesnet, not blocknet
all the coins here have been a P&D or will be a P&D of a well known whale. (you won't need a lot or research to find who is behind each coin)
This, explain that :
Wow this is really the most stupid, idiotic reasoning I have ever seen in my life...
Are you really serious? People who are investing in this are complete idiots throwing away there money. Who in their right mind would even give money to someone who reasons like this? Value of coins joining combined = value Blocknet? Hahaha
"WhalesNet, Connecting whales together"
Ok this gives me another explanation why these unknown coins were chosen for blocknet.
Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P
1 question
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
..and if you compare, lets say LXC and DOGE, in your opinion which one is shitcoin? ..and what is a measure of being shitcoin ?There are different deffinitions of shit. One may be that "very little people wants it", other may be "it's worse technology".
After all not necesserrily tech wins, but the tech that is sold better = better PR = more people knows it/buy it/uset it even if it is worse technologically.
To answere you question I would focus on usability. People use DOGE for foundraising and for fun, what does people use LXC for ecept being pride of having it? Thank you and goodbye
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
Develop a blocknet for all coins, and finally, every coin will fall.
WE DO NOT NEED SO MANY COINS, MAN.
WE DO NOT NEED SO MANY COINS, MAN.
I also think like this...
1 question
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
Why do XC cooperate on Blochnet with some unknown cryptos?
I understand why not with DRK
But aren't key players better for Blocknet, like LTC, NXT, PPC, XBC, XPC, DOGE?
Do we want XC be associated with some unknown coins or some serious and famous ones?
Beside, I'm not sure XC will have gains on that. It's rather good for these poor coins that they will be associated with one top class, at least top 20 coin. So after all these unknown coins in blocknet will gain more I think, and if they gain by being associated with sth better (XC) then XC will loose by being associated wih sth worse (poor coins).
Maybe there is another strategy view on this but it can also be like I described above...
BTW in the longer I think noone gives a sh*t about some altcoins... they will be a few (serious/usable) coins left, and thee will be the top known, even if less advanced in tech. That's why I'm still a beliver of a Xchat, XC-email (maybe?) full of features and user-friendly, a tech that delivers.
Future of blocknet is unclera. If the unknown altocins will disappear it will appear blocknet will be just lost effort?
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
Mac wallet build is underway, could be available by tomorrow
Dan
Good to hear that
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
Are you saying the XC Installer isn't user friendly and easy to use? XC is one of the very FEW coins with 1-click installer package
Sorry if I'm complaining too much
Basically cryptos are not user friendly, and what I mean by that is putting simply "I cannot give this to my mother so that she can use that safely".
Regarding XC, my experience is:
1) [bad]on my MAC wallet (10.6.
couldn't install2) [fine] on my windows 7 did, but asked for some firewall settings
3) [good] first look on XC-official
4) [bad] download pages looks like 80's webpage (not looking trusty for regular computer user)
5) [very good] the concept
6) [bad-not user friendly] updating wallet, setting up xmixer
In my feeling the milestones are:
1) Making it user friendly (easy clickable configuration and updating of all officially ananounced features)
2) making mobile wallet
3) maybe... creating a brainwallet... (wallet safe while breaking your device) or having possibility to choose between network and file wallet?
4) 3-rd party safe - a concept of mine (probably somone else could already invent this also) which will require another synchronised wallet (like a friend) to confirm transactions, so that friends could replace each other institutions like banks, which now keep out money safe (require verification).
Cheers
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.
More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.
More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.
I just responded to you. No need to repost.
Here is my response again:
That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.
It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.
Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.
You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)
I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.
I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.
Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".
Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.
I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.
Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.
I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.
This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.
Lets not forget , Edison owning a huge electric company, says to tesla "i will pay you millions to completely change build on and improve the infrastructure of the electric grid. TESLA does this and once completed edison says "oh you must not understand america humour or sarcasm , some bullshit like that. This moment in his life is what caused his HUGE mistrust of authority
This same thing caused edison and tesla to have conflict throughout their lives, There was even a chance for the both of them Together jointly 1 year to get a nobel prize, Their hate for each other caused neither one to get it. SO infact proves that collaboration would of hugely benefited the both of them
When they collaborated they created amazing things. When tesla died his worst regret was the animosity he held towards edison preventing him for further is own discovery and knowledge , that his battle against edison made him poor and penniless
His lack of willing to collaborate/ be part of something else/ working together was what got him in his situation of being poor
This could also be argued
CONFLICT AND FIGHTING COSTS VALUABLE RESOURCES , WORKING TOGETHER MULTIPLIES AND GROWS AND SPREADS RESOURCES FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL INVOLVED
Ok agree, that example may be interpreted differently, but what I'm saying is good PR and care of informing and listening to people and investors can do much more then a brilliant solution.
Beside we see many currencies which are less advance and have much bigger CAP. And maybe they will colapse one day, but there is also a lot of competition which is sometimes also quite good. That's why I'm thinking that who will do better in PR will win.
And we also have a proof that carrying about peolple and building society works for cryptos: DogeCoin
And proof PR (getting exchanges attention) is a powerfull wepon: BlackCoin.
So the first coin which will be advanced enough (not need to be best), user friendly, with good PR and people support will be the one which will stay, even if it won't be the best one.
People are lazy, thats why PR is needed to get reach them. Sometimes we dont know we need a new better thing, before someone show us we can do better.
Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos
This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.
More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.
More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.
I just responded to you. No need to repost.
Here is my response again:
That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.
It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.
Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.
You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)
I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.
I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.
Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".
Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.
I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.
Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.
I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.
This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.