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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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tailor
on 21/07/2016, 19:32:24 UTC
BTC is not a transaction type of currency, it is a store of value currency.
I prefer to think of it as a value transfer system.
Most people other than speculators who use Bitcoin, use it to send money quickly and cheaply to other parts of the world, at least at this time.

Quickly is probably overstating things. You can send BTC easily enough, but the process for converting to a locally usable currency is still pretty awful.

As far as being a store of value it's not a very good one right now. Storing value implies value can be predicted over time, and with BTC that isn't the case, yet.q
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 11/07/2016, 20:08:32 UTC
[Yes, bitcoin no have cuddly, just like no other currency, payment vehicle or storage of value should be considered as cuddly, but if you have sufficient bitcoin you can buy as much cuddly as you wish, whether from beanie or from baby.   Tongue

Wait, are you saying that someplace out there in the wide world there's a place where I can buy cuddly from baby for BTC? Is it like a Silk Road 3 or something, because it'll surely attract government attention, and government interest means Wall Street will pay attention. That means the price is going to the moon! But with the constricted supply of BTC now that the halving is over, we'll likely see a reduction in the hash rate of baby production, which means cuddly prices will boom, too, and the cuddly buying power of BTC will deflate.

Oh, and FWIW, a mattress stuffed with papery fiat goodness is kind of cuddly, too. You could double your pleasure getting cuddly from baby on such a mattress.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 09/07/2016, 12:03:40 UTC
What's wrong with you, don't you understand science?!
Look, bitcoins are clearly a valuable good. It's an antifragile, disruptive, distributed public ledger with literally millions of real-world uses.
Its value value is guaranteed to double in a few hours by the immutable laws of the cosmos.
Have you even read the White Paper?

Dammit, upon further inspection it appears this paper is indeed ivory, and not white. According to the Theory of Colors, that explains things.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 09/07/2016, 11:37:15 UTC
I think we can agree that if I spent terajoules digging sand instead of gold I wouldn't have something as valuable as the idiots you refer too.

so there it is, an admission that money needs to be tethered to the production of a valuable good. QED.

Well there's some circular logic.

Money spent does not mean a valuable good has been produced because cost of production alone doesn't determine value. If it did, production levels wouldn't fluctuate with price.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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tailor
on 09/07/2016, 11:18:31 UTC
Bitcoin does require electricity and hardware to be produced. This is an objective fact. And that requires a certain minimum of money. Facts, such stubborn things.

But money spent does not mean there's value.

and only idiots would waste terajoules of energy a year digging yellow metal out of the ground.

I think we can agree that if I spent terajoules digging sand instead of gold I wouldn't have something as valuable as the idiots you refer too.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 09/07/2016, 11:05:02 UTC
Bitcoin does require electricity and hardware to be produced. This is an objective fact. And that requires a certain minimum of money. Facts, such stubborn things.

But money spent does not mean there's value.
The value is whatever the market determines. Regardless of your opinion.

Yay, we agree!
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 09/07/2016, 11:01:43 UTC
Bitcoin does require electricity and hardware to be produced. This is an objective fact. And that requires a certain minimum of money. Facts, such stubborn things.

But money spent does not mean there's value.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 07/07/2016, 18:35:36 UTC
Ergo, to keep the profit, they need to sell their bitcoin for more value.
Just because it costs more to produce something doesn't automatically mean buyers are willing to pay more. Imagine the price of anything else if the seller was the sole determiner of "value".

True. Like houses. No correlation to lot price plus cost of building.
Right: housing prices may rise, but builders also stop building when buyers aren't willing to cover costs. Both sides adjust to their own perceived value. One side doesn't unilaterally set price.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 07/07/2016, 18:28:14 UTC
Ergo, to keep the profit, they need to sell their bitcoin for more value.
Just because it costs more to produce something doesn't automatically mean buyers are willing to pay more. Imagine the price of anything else if the seller was the sole determiner of "value".
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 14/04/2014, 23:06:08 UTC
Uh, yes, the probabilities I posted are based on the assumption that you folks will not manage to drive me away from this thread.  If I were to stop posting here, bitcoin would immediately shoot to the moon and beyond, of course.  Grin

I read earlier in this thread that you're paid to troll by a secret government agency that's interested in BTC (just like video game companies do). It was on the internet, therefore it's true.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 04/04/2014, 09:07:02 UTC
...because I'm not quite that bright.

You ever done that? Ok then. I stand by my statement. Learn quicker, it can be done.

Pro tip #2...rely on your intuition, after learning to well hone its snap judgements....
“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”
-Einstein

Unsolicited Pro tips backed by BS stories and BS miss-attributed quotes reveal how bright you are. No need to state the obvious.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 31/03/2014, 13:37:20 UTC
... but it is a lot to small Chinese worker class that is desperate for investing into stores of value that are not debased/stolen by their own government.

BTC? It is not that store. 

Look at how easily the value is "stolen" by bad news, or poorly managed exchanges collapsing, or arbitrary rules put in place by government, exchanges, banks, etc.  BTC needs a far more established and reliable support infrastructure before it's considered a safe store of value by the general public. For now BTC is known within a relatively small community, and is understood to be a gamble by most within it.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 29/03/2014, 19:52:59 UTC
A while away we learned that some internet trolls are paid to do what they do by some government agencies.

Jorge is a good example of this.

This the simplest explanation for someone spending so much time talking about something they don't rate very highly.

The simplest explanation is some mysterious government agency cares about BTC? And does so enough that it went looking for someone to engage in counterattacks? And found Jorge? And now pays him to troll?  That's the simplest?

You must have read that on the internet. I read that everything on the internet is true.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 29/03/2014, 19:46:34 UTC
A living example of a strawman setup by the original poster Cheesy

The post I responded to, which you later edited, simply responded "Don't bother" to Zapffe.
You are talking about me, engaging in strawman... I dont think so... I am just engaging in a conversation.. and I am suggesting reasons why Zapffe seems to be wasting everyone's time and NOT contributing... but anyhow, I am basing on a set of communications with him... Yes, I could be proven wrong that he is in fact a good contributor... but in my experience with his various posts, he seems to admit that he is NOT really contributing in any kind of meaningful way.. of course, he does NOT use those words or come to that conclusion.. but whatever, if posters admit that their purpose is to just spread FUD, then what good are they?  NOT MUCH>.. and accordingly, they should be removed, expelled, etc... .. .

Of course, I have NO power or authority to influence how much trolling is tolerated by the forum... and they come to their own judgements regarding whether posters (members) are contributing to the forum

You missed my point completely. I replied to your original post before you'd edited it, hence the strawman. Perhaps I should have said moving target. Either way I simply meant my response was meaningless when set against the edits.

That said, who defines "contributing"? Those holding BTC and not wanting to hear anything that suggests money might be lost? Those looking to short? Bears? Bulls? Dinosaurs? Trolls (aka, anyone holding a viewpoint different than one's own)? Everything said is a contribution in this cesspool - at least any lurker probably thinks so.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 28/03/2014, 17:25:47 UTC
Ok, I'll leave you guys with your high hopes of moons and trains. I'll have to go and when I'll return, then this username is probably banned already because of the cries of rpietila. But see you all later under a new name.


Why bother?  You have HARDLY invested in bitcoin, and you really do NOT seem very interested.... except to denigrate various strategies.. without really providing insight... 

Yes, expel the unbeliever!



hehehehe... My point is NOT about unbelieving .. but about contribution and substantiating contributions... If a person merely criticizing BTC without adding value concerning why.. then what good does that provide...   Also, some posters seem to be real denigrating about the contributions of others... which really does NOT seem to add value but instead attempt to distract and to side-rail meaningful discussions...

A living example of a strawman setup by the original poster Cheesy

The post I responded to, which you later edited, simply responded "Don't bother" to Zapffe.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 28/03/2014, 16:35:59 UTC
the china news is made up FUD FUD FUD
Until it is known whether the bank ban is true or false, "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt" is what a sensible trader should feel.  Wink

Yeah... we need to hear one way or another... which i am inclined to think that it is NOT true... maybe some restrictions.. but total ban.. seems very unlikely

what seems unlikely too me, is one week they say the rumors are false then following week they would say the rumors were true.

really?

why wouldn't they just have said nothing at all on the first rumor

Keep 'em guessing. Did you ever read The Art of War?

Heh. To loosely paraphrase some guy from ages ago: "never ascribe to brilliant strategy what's best attributed to pure bungling".
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 28/03/2014, 16:32:07 UTC
Ok, I'll leave you guys with your high hopes of moons and trains. I'll have to go and when I'll return, then this username is probably banned already because of the cries of rpietila. But see you all later under a new name.


Why bother?  You have HARDLY invested in bitcoin, and you really do NOT seem very interested.... except to denigrate various strategies.. without really providing insight... 

Yes, expel the unbeliever!

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 27/03/2014, 21:43:16 UTC

SUCH TRAIN!!!!1

MUCH MOON...
COMING SOON!!!!1




Finally, some more the of high quality analysis we've learned to demand on these forums.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 27/03/2014, 17:39:46 UTC

So... we finally looking into the bigger triangle yet for support?

[...]

Quickly, draw more lines... draw also ones that point up.. that will surely make the price rise! This has been the general sentiment in this forum, so it has to work!

That's a fancy way of saying you don't understand my chart, or which conclusions you should draw from it.

That's me saying that your charts are meaningless. Start creating charts in a way, that they could predict the right outcome at least 50% of the time, and there would be some meaning.
It may be a shock to you but drawing lines from the bottoms and tops at bitcoinwisdom isn't exactly an advanced method of prediction, that would be hard to understand to anyone. It's just a way for some people to rationalize their gambling habits, so they could call their gambling as "investing" to girlfriend and friends.

But add some dinosaurs or other animals, and it's totally legit. Or showing a double bottom cup and handle with a pennant breakout works, too.  Graphs with these scribbles have been shown to be 100% accurate 110% of the time at showing future price (+/- $1000).  If you can work in a CCMF to the moon into your analysis accuracy improves 120% of the time.

All we need is some bajillions invested, probably coming from MTGOX rebuys, mixed in with Wall Street hedge funds looking to diversify into more risky investments.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
tailor
on 15/03/2014, 15:48:19 UTC
now according to my sources, we'll be at $700-760 in 2-3 days

Finally an appropriate post. We'd gotten sidetracked with the ideology banter and forgotten the true purpose of the forum: unfounded and baseless predictions, and pretty pictures with scribbles on them.

Oh, and dinosaurs.

Bravo on bringing us back on track.