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Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
This thread is so hard to read. The fact that the sportsbook thinks they are in the right shows the sad state gambling with crypto has gone into.
Gamblers code is you accept a bet and lose you pay. Your terms of service and the way you have handled this thread has stopped me from signing up to your sportsbook.
If OP is truthful that you cancelled after the game started your site should be blacklisted.
I would urge you to consider rewriting your ToS make it fair for both, Not just the sportsbook. You should also take out the .25% withdrawal fee, I don't understand why you need it. Replace it with .0004BTC or current fee charge.
The more I think about the way this site is structured the less likely bigger gamblers will join. I'm looking for a pinny replacement to bet with BTC and unfortunately at this point BetBTC is not it.
Gamblers code is you accept a bet and lose you pay. Your terms of service and the way you have handled this thread has stopped me from signing up to your sportsbook.
If OP is truthful that you cancelled after the game started your site should be blacklisted.
I would urge you to consider rewriting your ToS make it fair for both, Not just the sportsbook. You should also take out the .25% withdrawal fee, I don't understand why you need it. Replace it with .0004BTC or current fee charge.
The more I think about the way this site is structured the less likely bigger gamblers will join. I'm looking for a pinny replacement to bet with BTC and unfortunately at this point BetBTC is not it.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I completely agree with you that this bookmaker should be blacklisted here and not allowed to conduct business as most of the users are at risk to being scammed just like I have been. I truly hope more bitcointalk users will contribute their opinions of this bookmaker in this thread and we can bring this to the attention of the administrators.
Sorry to see the loss of funds , but you did the right thing by exposing another bookie. Does anybody know what can be done , apart from a flag on their profile to get these bookies BANNED FOREVER from these forums? There is a growing number of bookies here that are voiding bets, changing bets , changing TOS etc to scam the people and it cannot continue to be advertised here.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335
Reference Link:
https://adkinsbet.com/sportsbook
Amount Scammed: 0.44003 BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://imgur.com/4xkfIWA
https://imgur.com/jtXx192
What happened:
Dec 8th
Deposited 50 mBTC.
Dec 9th
Deposited 80 mBTC.
Dec 10th
Withdrew 15 mBTC.
Dec 11th
Withdrew 30 mBTC
https://imgur.com/a/psHxf1J
Dec 12th
Requested 45 mBTC withdrawal.
https://imgur.com/a/dx3BMpD
Dec 17th
I contacted them regarding my pending withdrawal.
They are telling me I need to fill in the details in my account profile. I did it.
https://imgur.com/EuPRcjt
Dec 19th
They told me they need to check the bets and transactions on the account and closed my account.
Dec 20th
They are telling me they found the issue with one of my bets. B607544431 saying it was graded as win and it should be lost.
They changed that bet from HT/FT 1/1 to HT/FT X/1
https://imgur.com/FG2D5jn
https://imgur.com/a/4eUyqbN
Game score:
https://azscore.com/football/game/real-xolotlan-bravos-primavera-2020-12-09
As a "sign of good will" they let me 80 mBTC that I deposited and voided every single bet after that one I won. Something feels wrong here.
Odds on home team to win were around 2.20 so that means 1/1 should be around 3.30-3.45 AND IT IS, and X/1 should be 5.50+.
So they changed my bet, but didn't change the odds on the bet slip!!!
They also declined my withdrawal from Dec 12th (W607768698).
On December 20th they put my balance to 80 mBTC when in fact it should stand at 367.21 mBTC.
Dec 28th
Withdrawal requested (20 mBTC).
Withdrawal declined saying I withdrew already 15 , 30 , 40 mBTC which is more than 80 mBTC they "gave me as a sign of good will" so they took 85 mBTC from my balance.
Balance on the account 2.08 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/08Wb3QW
Dec 30th
I deposited (50 mBTC) here because I had only 0.08 mBTC on my account when I should have 374.29 mBTC.
Jan 8th
My balance here according to them was 0.98 mBTC so I deposited again (80mBTC). My balance if they didn't cheat would be 375.19 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/tD1JPl5
Jan 12th
Requested withdrawal 60 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/XYYf5wO
It gets real interesting here. I was still logged in and two minutes after this bet I have noticed that there's another bet on the same outcome but with 61 mBTC stake. That was impossible since I had a withdrawal pending I did not place that bet. I contacted support (someone was online) and they explained to me that they declined my withdrawal because I didn't put in the same address as I did during previous withdrawals. Well, that is not true, because I requested the withdrawal to the SAME ADDRESS as I did previously.
The address WAS THE SAME. You can see it here
https://imgur.com/IVDbIAK
I also asked them what about that bet I didn't place and asked them to void it. They did after some time and told me they won't be able to do it in the future (this is really important now).
They voided the bet, I requested another withdrawal 60 mBTC to that same address.
Jan 13th
Now, after the bet B610486144 I had 67.82 mBTC on my account. That match will be played on January 15th.
So, January 13th comes and I am sitting in my living room when I receive an email from adkinsbet that I have canceled my withdrawal and requested new ones and on the different BTC address so they declined those, and then they tell me I placed one bet for 67.82 mBTC on one match
Spanish cup, Girona - Cadiz over 1,5 goals in the first half on January 16th at 16:00 CET
https://imgur.com/HrAdmYy
As soon as I saw that I ran to my computer and contacted support. I told them it wasn't me who cancelled the withdrawal, requested new ones or placed that bet. At that moment it didn't cross my mind that they would do something like that. It was all clear when they told me that they can't void that bet because I placed it and they already voided one bet per my request (the first "phantom bet") and can't void this one even though it was 4 days away (because of their license provider). The first one they voided was in-play bet and the score in that one was already going in my favor.
I asked them a few times just to cancel that bet and let me withdraw my balance. They declined stating I am responsible for my account because my first thought was that someone cracked my password but that was not the case.
It all became very clear when another user posted accusation thread where he also had the same problem with bets not placed by him.
https://imgur.com/XT16GuE
All the notes in the spreadsheet are written here in this post.
All the transactions (except for those phantom bets and declined withdrawals on January 13th)on the account are written in the spreadsheet.
Those bets and transactions are visible in other screenshots in this post.
TL;dr
Adkins changed my bet from won to lost.
Took my balance and placed bets themselves.
Stole 0.44003 BTC from me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335
Reference Link:
https://adkinsbet.com/sportsbook
Amount Scammed: 0.44003 BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://imgur.com/4xkfIWA
https://imgur.com/jtXx192
What happened:
Dec 8th
Deposited 50 mBTC.
Dec 9th
Deposited 80 mBTC.
Dec 10th
Withdrew 15 mBTC.
Dec 11th
Withdrew 30 mBTC
https://imgur.com/a/psHxf1J
Dec 12th
Requested 45 mBTC withdrawal.
https://imgur.com/a/dx3BMpD
Dec 17th
I contacted them regarding my pending withdrawal.
They are telling me I need to fill in the details in my account profile. I did it.
https://imgur.com/EuPRcjt
Dec 19th
They told me they need to check the bets and transactions on the account and closed my account.
Dec 20th
They are telling me they found the issue with one of my bets. B607544431 saying it was graded as win and it should be lost.
They changed that bet from HT/FT 1/1 to HT/FT X/1
https://imgur.com/FG2D5jn
https://imgur.com/a/4eUyqbN
Game score:
https://azscore.com/football/game/real-xolotlan-bravos-primavera-2020-12-09
As a "sign of good will" they let me 80 mBTC that I deposited and voided every single bet after that one I won. Something feels wrong here.
Odds on home team to win were around 2.20 so that means 1/1 should be around 3.30-3.45 AND IT IS, and X/1 should be 5.50+.
So they changed my bet, but didn't change the odds on the bet slip!!!
They also declined my withdrawal from Dec 12th (W607768698).
On December 20th they put my balance to 80 mBTC when in fact it should stand at 367.21 mBTC.
Dec 28th
Withdrawal requested (20 mBTC).
Withdrawal declined saying I withdrew already 15 , 30 , 40 mBTC which is more than 80 mBTC they "gave me as a sign of good will" so they took 85 mBTC from my balance.
Balance on the account 2.08 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/08Wb3QW
Dec 30th
I deposited (50 mBTC) here because I had only 0.08 mBTC on my account when I should have 374.29 mBTC.
Jan 8th
My balance here according to them was 0.98 mBTC so I deposited again (80mBTC). My balance if they didn't cheat would be 375.19 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/tD1JPl5
Jan 12th
Requested withdrawal 60 mBTC.
https://imgur.com/XYYf5wO
It gets real interesting here. I was still logged in and two minutes after this bet I have noticed that there's another bet on the same outcome but with 61 mBTC stake. That was impossible since I had a withdrawal pending I did not place that bet. I contacted support (someone was online) and they explained to me that they declined my withdrawal because I didn't put in the same address as I did during previous withdrawals. Well, that is not true, because I requested the withdrawal to the SAME ADDRESS as I did previously.
The address WAS THE SAME. You can see it here
https://imgur.com/IVDbIAK
I also asked them what about that bet I didn't place and asked them to void it. They did after some time and told me they won't be able to do it in the future (this is really important now).
They voided the bet, I requested another withdrawal 60 mBTC to that same address.
Jan 13th
Now, after the bet B610486144 I had 67.82 mBTC on my account. That match will be played on January 15th.
So, January 13th comes and I am sitting in my living room when I receive an email from adkinsbet that I have canceled my withdrawal and requested new ones and on the different BTC address so they declined those, and then they tell me I placed one bet for 67.82 mBTC on one match
Spanish cup, Girona - Cadiz over 1,5 goals in the first half on January 16th at 16:00 CET
https://imgur.com/HrAdmYy
As soon as I saw that I ran to my computer and contacted support. I told them it wasn't me who cancelled the withdrawal, requested new ones or placed that bet. At that moment it didn't cross my mind that they would do something like that. It was all clear when they told me that they can't void that bet because I placed it and they already voided one bet per my request (the first "phantom bet") and can't void this one even though it was 4 days away (because of their license provider). The first one they voided was in-play bet and the score in that one was already going in my favor.
I asked them a few times just to cancel that bet and let me withdraw my balance. They declined stating I am responsible for my account because my first thought was that someone cracked my password but that was not the case.
It all became very clear when another user posted accusation thread where he also had the same problem with bets not placed by him.
https://imgur.com/XT16GuE
All the notes in the spreadsheet are written here in this post.
All the transactions (except for those phantom bets and declined withdrawals on January 13th)on the account are written in the spreadsheet.
Those bets and transactions are visible in other screenshots in this post.
TL;dr
Adkins changed my bet from won to lost.
Took my balance and placed bets themselves.
Stole 0.44003 BTC from me.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Wow - what a response from a so called legitimate BOOKMAKER? - I am glad you posted the PROOF that I had to contact your support about your attempt trying to steal my money and by voiding a bet and breaking your own TOS. After I EXPOSED you - you went and changed the TOS to 30minutes ;-) - its a shame you got caught red handed.... Just answer me this 1 thing please.. How many people DO NOT contact your support about their illegally voided bets every single day and how many users do you scam out of their money? Yes you informed me about the TOS change after your scam attempt, but did you EMAIL ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS to notify them of this TOS CHANGE?
Secondly you claimed once again that the people who are posting on this thread are my "other" accounts , where is your proof of this? EVERYTHING i have said i have backed up with SOLID proof, videos, screensots etc.
This topic really does EXPOSE your lies & fraudulent activities and you should have NO PLATFORM on here to advertise your services. I am CERTAIN that it is just a matter of time before other users of this community will unite and file a negative feedback on your profile.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=253453#newfeedback <--- USE this url to ensure this scam bookie is removed /flagged from advertising here.
Secondly you claimed once again that the people who are posting on this thread are my "other" accounts , where is your proof of this? EVERYTHING i have said i have backed up with SOLID proof, videos, screensots etc.
This topic really does EXPOSE your lies & fraudulent activities and you should have NO PLATFORM on here to advertise your services. I am CERTAIN that it is just a matter of time before other users of this community will unite and file a negative feedback on your profile.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=253453#newfeedback <--- USE this url to ensure this scam bookie is removed /flagged from advertising here.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Use the following URL to report them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=253453#newfeedback
Not doing anything yet. In fact, not sure if I should do anything only considering this case (Only one so far. I hope I did not miss if there are anymore accusations that are serious). But I would like to hear a response from BetBTC about the term changes thing. As I read the change in terms has been made from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. @BetBTC have you sent any notifications to all of your users to agree on the new terms?
If not then cancelling the bet after 25 minutes is wrong from your side. Your clients were not informed so when they signed up they agreed on 20 minutes not 30 minutes.And considering this, cancelling the bet after 25 minutes instead of within 20 minutes is not helping you in this case although the current term is 30 minutes.
By the way, I am still open. Maybe I will make a conclusion after knowing their input and how they defend this.If not then cancelling the bet after 25 minutes is wrong from your side. Your clients were not informed so when they signed up they agreed on 20 minutes not 30 minutes.And considering this, cancelling the bet after 25 minutes instead of within 20 minutes is not helping you in this case although the current term is 30 minutes.
I think its relatively clear from their previous responses they simply do not care that they are cheating their users on their daily basis. They think its normal to change the TOS without notifying their existing clients. How long do you think its acceptable to wait for their response before making an official negative trust feedback on their profile? This is the only way to stop this cheating bookmaker.
Re: ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook | Bitcoin Sports Betting | Since 2014 | Instant Withdrawals
You dont block users but you should tell everybody that you actually VOID winning bets after they have won.
Here is an interesting read for everybody : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0
Here is an interesting read for everybody : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0
Users should always respect their local laws, but we don’t block based on user’s location (we don’t monitor it at all)
There's no need to hide your ip and use a VPN, everyone is allowed to gamble, that is stated on their reply when one user asked a similar question.
I hope that helps.
Hello,
At the moment we are accepting users worldwide.
Best regards,
BetBTC
Yes, it's not our practise to block users, or seize funds.
If you prefer to use a vpn there is absolutely no problem.
I'm about to open an account in BetBTC but I would like to know if VPN is allowed when accessing the BetBTC? I haven't read it on the Terms of Service but maybe I skipped it so I would like to ask it directly here since I'm afraid that you might freeze my account including my fund.
There's no need to hide your ip and use a VPN, everyone is allowed to gamble, that is stated on their reply when one user asked a similar question.
I hope that helps.
Which countries are prohibited from using betbtc?
I only see this in T&C
''Please take in consideration that users from several locations are not allowed to register an account or place bets with us due to restrictions in this territory.
We use an IP Blocking tool, however this is not 100% efficient as it can't restrict all range of IPs. If your IP is not blocked you are still not allowed to bet on BetBTC if you belong to these regions''
I only see this in T&C
''Please take in consideration that users from several locations are not allowed to register an account or place bets with us due to restrictions in this territory.
We use an IP Blocking tool, however this is not 100% efficient as it can't restrict all range of IPs. If your IP is not blocked you are still not allowed to bet on BetBTC if you belong to these regions''
Hello,
At the moment we are accepting users worldwide.
Best regards,
BetBTC
Yes, it's not our practise to block users, or seize funds.
If you prefer to use a vpn there is absolutely no problem.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Betbtc have a strange rule.
If the odds for your bet move more than 10% in next 30 minutes after the time of placement, then they void your bet. They claim that they void bets if odds move 10% even if the movement was against your bet.
''BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;''
Weird rule at least.
So, the case is with the bet that has been voided.
As I read the change in terms has been made from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. @BetBTC have you sent any notifications to all of your users to agree on the new terms?
If not then cancelling the bet after 25 minutes is wrong from your side. Your clients were not informed so when they signed up they agreed on 20 minutes not 30 minutes.And considering this, cancelling the bet after 25 minutes instead of within 20 minutes is not helping you in this case although the current term is 30 minutes.
- This user cashed out 1.2BTC+ in a 4-month period. No issues were raised in any withdrawal.
This is not relevant so let's not talk about it and waste energy on less important things.Well initially their TOS WAS 20 mintues , they voided my bet which supposedly the odds changed after 30 -40 minutes . So i contacted their support to ask whats going on and why they voided the bet , they said it was an error on their part however went and changed the TOS to 30 MINUTES . At that point ALL SPORTSBOOK users should of received a notification email about the change of TOS because I am sure there are thousands who have now been scammed due to this silent change. I ONCE AGAIN URGE THIS COMMUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND FILL OUT A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK OF THIS SCAM BOOKIE AND LINK BACK TO THIS THREAD.
Use the following URL to report them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=253453#newfeedback
Re: ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook & Casino | Soccer Wizard - Win 0.025 BTC every Sunday
Dear BetBtc and the Bitcointalk community.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0 in this thread i have described my claims on how betbtc is scamming me currently and in the past. I wish to protect any future customers of yours from the same.
Predict the Number of Sunday Goals and win 0.025BTC
We will distribute up to 0.025BTC ($500+) every Sunday in free balance to users of this forum.
Requirements:
Exclusive to Full Member or +
Place and share at least 1 Soccer Bet in an event occurring on the same Sunday as the prediction.
Only one prediction per user.
Post containing the prediction cannot be edited after a 15-min deadline before the first match starts.
How to Participate:
Post a print-screen of your BetBTC bet, together with your prediction in this topic
You want to guess the Total number of Goals, scored in the regular time , by all matches of the leagues below:
1. Premier League
2. La Liga
3. Bundesliga
4. Serie A
5. Ligue 1
The predictions end 15 minutes before the first game of the day.
Winner:
The winner will receive up to 0.025BTC in free balance (ready to withdrawal)
The selected winner will be the closest prediction.
If 2 or more users get the correct prediction (or there are 2 closest predictions) the prize will be divided among the various winners.
Events may be postponed or canceled - You are allowed to edit your prediction until the 15-minute deadline.
Prize:
-10 Participations - 0.003BTC
11~25 Participations - 0.008BTC
26~50 Participations - 0.015BTC
+50 Participations - 0.023BTC
Bonus / Boost
Share it also in your Twitter account with the hashtags #BetBTC and #SundayWizard (until the 15-minute deadline), and receive an additional 0.002BTC boost (up to 0.025BTC total) in case you are a winner.
Good Luck!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0 in this thread i have described my claims on how betbtc is scamming me currently and in the past. I wish to protect any future customers of yours from the same.
Predict the Number of Sunday Goals and win 0.025BTC
We will distribute up to 0.025BTC ($500+) every Sunday in free balance to users of this forum.
Requirements:
Exclusive to Full Member or +
Place and share at least 1 Soccer Bet in an event occurring on the same Sunday as the prediction.
Only one prediction per user.
Post containing the prediction cannot be edited after a 15-min deadline before the first match starts.
How to Participate:
Post a print-screen of your BetBTC bet, together with your prediction in this topic
You want to guess the Total number of Goals, scored in the regular time , by all matches of the leagues below:
1. Premier League
2. La Liga
3. Bundesliga
4. Serie A
5. Ligue 1
The predictions end 15 minutes before the first game of the day.
Winner:
The winner will receive up to 0.025BTC in free balance (ready to withdrawal)
The selected winner will be the closest prediction.
If 2 or more users get the correct prediction (or there are 2 closest predictions) the prize will be divided among the various winners.
Events may be postponed or canceled - You are allowed to edit your prediction until the 15-minute deadline.
Prize:
-10 Participations - 0.003BTC
11~25 Participations - 0.008BTC
26~50 Participations - 0.015BTC
+50 Participations - 0.023BTC
Bonus / Boost
Share it also in your Twitter account with the hashtags #BetBTC and #SundayWizard (until the 15-minute deadline), and receive an additional 0.002BTC boost (up to 0.025BTC total) in case you are a winner.
Good Luck!
Re: ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook | Bitcoin Sports Betting | Since 2014 | Instant Withdrawals
I dont think you read the accusation in FULL. i have provided various proof of their scam practices and there is other community members coming forward. Their voiding of bets during game play when the bet begins to WIN is against any principal of betting. I hope all will see them for what they are - SCAMMERS! BEWARE!
Read the response:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.msg56146366#msg56146366
I've read the accusation. I think the site is entirely within its rights. A website has the right to cancel a bet if this can be linked to the rules set out in the general terms and conditions.
Rendered for the player, but the terms and conditions are there for a reason. I should not worry about that to much.
Dear BetBtc and the Bitcointalk community.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0 in this thread i have described my claims on how betbtc is scamming me currently and in the past. I wish to protect any future customers of yours from the same.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0 in this thread i have described my claims on how betbtc is scamming me currently and in the past. I wish to protect any future customers of yours from the same.
Read the response:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.msg56146366#msg56146366
I've read the accusation. I think the site is entirely within its rights. A website has the right to cancel a bet if this can be linked to the rules set out in the general terms and conditions.
Rendered for the player, but the terms and conditions are there for a reason. I should not worry about that to much.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Here you go, https://prnt.sc/xfuvm9
I am sure they can also confirm the same - its mind blowing how they void bets and go against their own TOS - they void those which suits them better - nothing to do with their disgusting TOS - they are just pure SCAMMERS.
I am sure they can also confirm the same - its mind blowing how they void bets and go against their own TOS - they void those which suits them better - nothing to do with their disgusting TOS - they are just pure SCAMMERS.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Create a flag against this scam bookie. Everybody here should be warned.
I will certainly be doing that, but i think we need to unite on this one and push for them to be removed from advertising here and hosting their bogus competitions... whats the best way to get in touch with the admins of this forum so they take a real look into their scam practices?
On a side note i had the exact bet they voided in a 4 fold combo bet which was NOT VOIDED as it was was a smaller bet of the several bets i made. So in a nutshell , the biggest bet you make they will void during the game play LIVE when the bet is winning.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Yeah, and due to this deception i have been robbed from winnings of 0.09 BTC
I hope they can still come to their sense - although the way they have handled this so far its far beyond any professional enterprise - more like professional con artists.
Can you just imagine how many users they rob every day who dont have a voice or a platform to expose them? They make thousands per day just in pure scams... its disgusting... - I think they should not be allowed to advertise here in this community , especially with such BOGUS terms of service - the Bitcointalk admins should really look into this.
I hope they can still come to their sense - although the way they have handled this so far its far beyond any professional enterprise - more like professional con artists.
Can you just imagine how many users they rob every day who dont have a voice or a platform to expose them? They make thousands per day just in pure scams... its disgusting... - I think they should not be allowed to advertise here in this community , especially with such BOGUS terms of service - the Bitcointalk admins should really look into this.
This rule is pure deception.but this is Curacao there is full of all kinds of criminals.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Alright, so now you are talking with your imaginary friend aka, your second account (an account that only participates in scam accusation discussions 
)
Btw, some final words to conclude this:
- Yes, BetBTC voids bets (according to the rules enforced for 1+ year), if you are not ok with them you should not use BetBTC, no one is forcing anyone to play.
- These voids simply do not occur to the "regular user", but only for those who are actively looking for odds's spikes.
- The void occurs bi-laterally and not only when odds are favourable to BetBTC
- It's very rare that these voids occur in major leagues, instead when they happen they occur typically on smaller basket or hockey secondary with very low liquidity.
- This user cashed out 1.2BTC+ in a 4-month period. No issues were raised in any withdrawal.
@zikzik, don't forget to withdrawal your remaining balance within the next 24h, your account will be permanently closed.
Best regards,
BetBTC
)Btw, some final words to conclude this:
- Yes, BetBTC voids bets (according to the rules enforced for 1+ year), if you are not ok with them you should not use BetBTC, no one is forcing anyone to play.
- These voids simply do not occur to the "regular user", but only for those who are actively looking for odds's spikes.
- The void occurs bi-laterally and not only when odds are favourable to BetBTC
- It's very rare that these voids occur in major leagues, instead when they happen they occur typically on smaller basket or hockey secondary with very low liquidity.
- This user cashed out 1.2BTC+ in a 4-month period. No issues were raised in any withdrawal.
@zikzik, don't forget to withdrawal your remaining balance within the next 24h, your account will be permanently closed.
Best regards,
BetBTC
- WOW - now you are throwing around wild accusations about some second account which I do not have? Very professional on your part - just goes to show what kind of individuals are running your scam enterprise. I guess anybody who is going to comment here telling you how you are cheating other users of your casino will be somehow linked to me in your wild imagination?
I have raised a number of points about your fraudulent activities which you have failed to address and avoided them completely. This thread i hope will be seen by thousands of individuals and will protect them from ever using your SCAM casino/sportsbook. You keep mentioning about the 1.2 BTC i won with you but no mention of the 3 times I had to contact you in regards to you trying to steal my money? Can you kindly explain this to the community?
So from my understanding you will go ahead and SCAM ME out of 0.09 BTC by voiding a perfectly valid bet with no real justification and simply void bets during game play when you start to realize that the bet is a winning bet.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
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Which site ever has such practics? I have NEVER seen voided bets because of line movement, and I bet for 20 years now.
Every day I place bets on lets say 2.0 and 6 hours later its 1.6 or when it goes bad 2.5. Thats what happens on moving markets.
Those terms open the doors for them to scam players out of winnings. Void the bet before the game , thats the only way. I bet they wouldnt void if the bet is losing.
Thanks for sharing this, another site on my blacklist.
Every day I place bets on lets say 2.0 and 6 hours later its 1.6 or when it goes bad 2.5. Thats what happens on moving markets.
Those terms open the doors for them to scam players out of winnings. Void the bet before the game , thats the only way. I bet they wouldnt void if the bet is losing.
Thanks for sharing this, another site on my blacklist.
Exactly my point , which Legitimate bookmaker would void bets because of line movement during a game that has started and my team that I bet on is winning? ;-) - very very clear this bookmaker is just out to cheat and steal funds of consumers.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Believe me i play on many other bookmakers without any issues, but the ones that try to SCAM people i simply expose them for what they are so other people dont get their money stolen like they stole from me.
And they cancel the bets 30 mins after it started - especially if the team i bet on is winning - this is how shady their practices are... and they cant even address the points i raise because they are aware of the fraud they are committing against players.
And they cancel the bets 30 mins after it started - especially if the team i bet on is winning - this is how shady their practices are... and they cant even address the points i raise because they are aware of the fraud they are committing against players.
OP was had a problem on betcoin.ag , and now it's time at betbtc. With current price of bitcoin, it's seems there are lot of problem appear with casino or is it just coincidence?
I'm not defend OP and Betbtc, just curious about that rules.
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(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
Just read the ToS and this makes me curious. Why you can cancel any bet <30 mins after it started? I'm not defend OP and Betbtc, just curious about that rules.
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Thanks for your response, however this raises the following issues:
1 . Why the bet on money line was not cancelled , as it represents the exactly the same probability on the match. You claim there was a big variance, then there should be a big variance on the money line also? (yet the money line bet was not voided)
2. When i signed up and accepted the terms and conditions, the time frame was 20 minutes and not 30 minutes as you claim now and having changed your TOS which i did not agree to when i signed up initially? Please advise?
3. What relation does my winning over the 4 months have to do with this particular winning bet? Is it a case if the users are winning you aim to VOID bets after they have won?
Overall , its really clear that your rules are equivalent to CHEATING. It is against the very principle of betting, sportsbooks and casinos. How do you justify voiding a bet that has already begun and its winning ??
Now that you have brought up that i have approx 40k in winnings, it looks like you are following the most winning customers and when they take a bet with you before the game, YOU YOURSELF take my bet and place it on PINNACLE to create this MOVEMENT of 10% or more. AS the game goes on you clearly see if its a winning BET you cancel MY BET and you cash out your winning bet within PINNACLE. IF the bet is loosing you simply stay within your position and you are covered by the clients LOOSING bet - this is how it looks like from a neutral point of view in my eyes.
Lastly i also took the same handicap in question (+9 points) at even bigger odds in a combo/parlay which was ONE HOUR prior to the game and this was NOT voided and is yet pending? Yes - it was available for 1 HOUR At least with even bigger odds.
Out of the three bets i made on this match you conveniently chose to void the BIGGEST bet of the three i made?
I hope you can address these issues one by one for clarity for myself and the whole community as clearly you have tried to avoid MANY raised questions in this thread.
As explained multiple times to this user, across various weeks in dozen of support tickets (while he kept on betting at BetBTC.co while always complaining), yes BetBTC can void bets according to our terms:
https://www.betbtc.co/terms
As explained to the user, bets that vary significantly are (automatically) voided within a 30min period, this is not a new rule, in fact it is enforced for more than 1 year to all users. The system is triggered only on less than 0.1% of all bets placed, and does not apply to live events. Virtually it's very unlikely that a regular user will see it, unless someone is trying to exploit odds's spikes.
BetBTC is a reputable sportsbook operating since 2014, we have thousands of online players and only in this forum we distribute weekly prizes of significant amount when compared to this accusation. This is the first time we receive such accusation.
To finalise we would also like to point out to all readers, that this user signed up an account at BetBTC just 4 months ago, and since then has a net profit of more than 1.20BTC ($42.000 at current btc rate) and there was never any withdrawal limitation or block imposed to the user.
Regarding the topic:
This is the third time we will be clarifying about this topic.. although the situation was resolved and your account credited back instantly, you keep insisting in this, which makes no sense..
2. Regarding the high withdrawal fee, there was a clear error because your funds were sent from an empty hotwallet that caused a lot of inputs that turned the transaction very heavy and expensive. Right after you reported it to us, we rapidly credited back the extra charged fees and took action to ensure this does not happen ever to another user (we have also checked and in fact it was the first and only time it ever occurred in a BetBTC withdrawal)
Best regards,
BetBTC
https://www.betbtc.co/terms
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Voided or Cancelled Bets
BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
(b) the result has been influenced by criminal or illegal actions;
(c) accepted at obviously incorrect odds;
(d) made in an attempt to circumvent our betting limits;
(e) involved in syndicate betting;
(f) odd varies more than 10%
(g) accepted in error, including but not limited to correlated parlays
BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
(b) the result has been influenced by criminal or illegal actions;
(c) accepted at obviously incorrect odds;
(d) made in an attempt to circumvent our betting limits;
(e) involved in syndicate betting;
(f) odd varies more than 10%
(g) accepted in error, including but not limited to correlated parlays
As explained to the user, bets that vary significantly are (automatically) voided within a 30min period, this is not a new rule, in fact it is enforced for more than 1 year to all users. The system is triggered only on less than 0.1% of all bets placed, and does not apply to live events. Virtually it's very unlikely that a regular user will see it, unless someone is trying to exploit odds's spikes.
BetBTC is a reputable sportsbook operating since 2014, we have thousands of online players and only in this forum we distribute weekly prizes of significant amount when compared to this accusation. This is the first time we receive such accusation.
To finalise we would also like to point out to all readers, that this user signed up an account at BetBTC just 4 months ago, and since then has a net profit of more than 1.20BTC ($42.000 at current btc rate) and there was never any withdrawal limitation or block imposed to the user.
Regarding the topic:
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3. Here somehow i was charged BTC withdrawal transaction fees of 0.00964561 BTC (around 300 euro). This bitcoin was returned to me ONLY after i have written to support, but i assume its not a given, that everybody in the same situation would have noticed it.
This is the third time we will be clarifying about this topic.. although the situation was resolved and your account credited back instantly, you keep insisting in this, which makes no sense..
2. Regarding the high withdrawal fee, there was a clear error because your funds were sent from an empty hotwallet that caused a lot of inputs that turned the transaction very heavy and expensive. Right after you reported it to us, we rapidly credited back the extra charged fees and took action to ensure this does not happen ever to another user (we have also checked and in fact it was the first and only time it ever occurred in a BetBTC withdrawal)
Best regards,
BetBTC
Re: BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
Brilliant, i have adjusted my thread - thank you for your help!
you should replace the link on "scammers Profile link" with this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253453 . the link is the account profile link of BetBTC representative here in the forum. they also have an ANN thread here in the forum ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook | Bitcoin Sports Betting | Since 2014 | Instant Withdrawals
Re: ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook | Bitcoin Sports Betting | Since 2014 | Instant Withdrawals
Dear BetBtc and the Bitcointalk community.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311045.0 in this thread i have described my claims on how betbtc is scamming me currently and in the past. I wish to protect any future customers of yours from the same.
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BetBTC.co SCAM: stole 0.09 BTC - lying, full of errors-unprofessional sportsbook
What happened:: Voiding a bet 25 minutes later, 10 minutes after the game has started and my team winning big
Scammers Profile Link: https://www.betbtc.co/
Amount Scammed: 0.09 BTC
During the several months of me using the BetBTC.co platform, that is already the fourth time this company has tried to scam me:
1. This screenshot explains the situation in detail https://prnt.sc/x8h9w7
In short, they voided a winning bet 25 minutes after it was placed, tried to steal 0.051585 BTC
ONLY AFTER i have wrote to support, they ADMITTED that they broke their own rule (looks like the bet cancellation process management was not aware of their own rules) and returned my bitcoin.
In the process they admitted changing their ToS (long after i signed up and agreed to them).
FOR THE RECORD, these are not the ToS that i have agreed on when signing up
2. They voided my winning bet 20 minutes AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED and my team WINNING big, tried to steal 0.0338244 BTC.
After many denials this matter was escalated to some supervisor and he agreed to give my money back.
Here is the screenshot of his "generous" decision https://prnt.sc/x9slm0
In the process they also lied to me claiming that they dont void simillar bets only if less than 0.01 BTC (will come into play later). Here is the screenshot https://i.gyazo.com/9aa6601add6c88648a1b1e87a6fed8b3.png
3. Here somehow i was charged BTC withdrawal transaction fees of 0.00964561 BTC (around 300 euro). This bitcoin was returned to me ONLY after i have written to support, but i assume its not a given, that everybody in the same situation would have noticed it.
This screenshot explains everything https://prnt.sc/x8hdep
The last scam happened just yesterday.
I placed a bet (basketball game) on a "TEAM" with a +9 handicap (even if they loose by 8, i still win the bet) 13 minutes before the start of the game. The bet was 0.105 BTC @ odds 1.859 (potential profit of 0.090195 or about 2600 euro today). 1 minute later i placed a bet on the same TEAM to WIN the game @ odds 4.149 (the bet was 0.014 BTC, it will come into play later).
FOR THE RECORD, a bet on +9 handicap @ odds 1.859 AND a bet on a WIN @ odds 4.149 represent the same probability of the team actually winning the game (only in one case i took a much safer bet with a big +9 handicap at much much lower odds, and in the other case i took the straight win, but both of them represent a totally valid odds/probabilities for the same game. This can be verified on BetBTC website as many other basketball games would have almost the same odds and handicaps)
Twenty Three (23) minutes after i placed the bets, and 10 minutes AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED, and while my TEAM WAS WINNING already by 8 points (already 17 points !!! advantage for my main handicap bet), my main bet on +9 handicap WAS VOIDED, but at the same time my bet on straight win stayed valid and eventually was settled as WON
screenshot here - https://i.gyazo.com/8419504b0819525348b1ad3839b152fc.png
Which brings us to the LIE they told me about not voiding only bets of less then 0.01 BTC.
Please note again that +9 handicap @ 1.859 and straight win @ 4.149 are EXACTLY THE SAME bets in terms of probabilities. YET THEY VOID THE BIG BET (which i had already +17 points advantage at that time, and decided to leave the MUCH MUCH RISKIER bet on the straight win, which in the end very luckily won by two points in the dying seconds of the game).
this video has all the needed evidence of the above statement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NoksqLPnQ (you can actually see my main bet dissapearing in front of your eyes, while my team winning big)
For me this WAS a very respected casino/bookie, but in my experience they have:
ATTEMPTED TO STEAL from me
LIED to me
DID NOT KNOW their own rules
MADE MISTAKES (that eventually could cost bitcoin to us, the gamblers - https://i.gyazo.com/feb5f8373c844d6d54ccfd784e2c5881.png)
CHANGED THE TOS after i have signed up and agreed to the previous version
WAITED TO SEE THE CURRENT RESULT OF THE RUNNING game, to see if to void the bets
VOIDED only the bets with the highest probabilities, hoping the other, less probable bets, will loose
So now i claim that they should have never voided my bet 98ceb3de4980f92a of 0.105 BTC @ 1.859 on Hispano Americano +9 (Argentinian Basketball League)
the official result of the game can be found here http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/ADC/1843177/ and the bet on +9 easily won, as my team was leading big right from the opening whistle.
The voided this bet according to this rule they have:
Voided or Cancelled Bets
BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
THIS RULE IS JUST A DISGRACE TO ANY SPORTSBOOK. How they use it is also a disgrace. They void +9, but settle as WON a bet on straight win that was even taken AFTER the bet on +9
This rule they have (WHICH THEY CHANGED AFTER I HAVE SIGNED UP AND AGREED TO THE ToS) just opens a way for a very serious manipulation on the part of the casino.
As we can see from the situations above, they are using it to make money, by voiding winning bets from their winning customers.
I DEMAND FOR MY BITCOIN WON ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED BET TO BE PAID BACK TO ME.
P.S. after confronting them about the latest situation via the support, this is what i got in reply:
Hello,
1. There was an error on the voided terms and your bets were all re-considered after you contact us. After that and only after, we have changed the terms to up to 30 minutes.
2. Regarding the high withdrawal fee, there was a clear error because your funds were sent from an empty hotwallet that caused a lot of inputs that turned the transaction very heavy and expensive. Right after you reported it to us, we rapidly credited back the extra charged fees and took action to ensure this does not happen ever to another user (we have also checked and in fact it was the first and only time it ever occurred in a BetBTC withdrawal)
3. We now void all bets including smaller than 0.01btc if it fits the voiding terms, it is according to the terms already.
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I inform you that your account will be permanently closed within the next 48 hours. Please withdrawal any remaining funds in your account until then, and don't create additional accounts here - there are a lot of other crypto sportsbooks you can use elsewhere.
Best regards,
BetBTC (admin)
They ADMIT the ERRORS, KEEP LYING and CHANGING their RULES AGAIN
Scammers Profile Link: https://www.betbtc.co/
Amount Scammed: 0.09 BTC
During the several months of me using the BetBTC.co platform, that is already the fourth time this company has tried to scam me:
1. This screenshot explains the situation in detail https://prnt.sc/x8h9w7
In short, they voided a winning bet 25 minutes after it was placed, tried to steal 0.051585 BTC
ONLY AFTER i have wrote to support, they ADMITTED that they broke their own rule (looks like the bet cancellation process management was not aware of their own rules) and returned my bitcoin.
In the process they admitted changing their ToS (long after i signed up and agreed to them).
FOR THE RECORD, these are not the ToS that i have agreed on when signing up
2. They voided my winning bet 20 minutes AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED and my team WINNING big, tried to steal 0.0338244 BTC.
After many denials this matter was escalated to some supervisor and he agreed to give my money back.
Here is the screenshot of his "generous" decision https://prnt.sc/x9slm0
In the process they also lied to me claiming that they dont void simillar bets only if less than 0.01 BTC (will come into play later). Here is the screenshot https://i.gyazo.com/9aa6601add6c88648a1b1e87a6fed8b3.png
3. Here somehow i was charged BTC withdrawal transaction fees of 0.00964561 BTC (around 300 euro). This bitcoin was returned to me ONLY after i have written to support, but i assume its not a given, that everybody in the same situation would have noticed it.
This screenshot explains everything https://prnt.sc/x8hdep
The last scam happened just yesterday.
I placed a bet (basketball game) on a "TEAM" with a +9 handicap (even if they loose by 8, i still win the bet) 13 minutes before the start of the game. The bet was 0.105 BTC @ odds 1.859 (potential profit of 0.090195 or about 2600 euro today). 1 minute later i placed a bet on the same TEAM to WIN the game @ odds 4.149 (the bet was 0.014 BTC, it will come into play later).
FOR THE RECORD, a bet on +9 handicap @ odds 1.859 AND a bet on a WIN @ odds 4.149 represent the same probability of the team actually winning the game (only in one case i took a much safer bet with a big +9 handicap at much much lower odds, and in the other case i took the straight win, but both of them represent a totally valid odds/probabilities for the same game. This can be verified on BetBTC website as many other basketball games would have almost the same odds and handicaps)
Twenty Three (23) minutes after i placed the bets, and 10 minutes AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED, and while my TEAM WAS WINNING already by 8 points (already 17 points !!! advantage for my main handicap bet), my main bet on +9 handicap WAS VOIDED, but at the same time my bet on straight win stayed valid and eventually was settled as WON
screenshot here - https://i.gyazo.com/8419504b0819525348b1ad3839b152fc.png
Which brings us to the LIE they told me about not voiding only bets of less then 0.01 BTC.
Please note again that +9 handicap @ 1.859 and straight win @ 4.149 are EXACTLY THE SAME bets in terms of probabilities. YET THEY VOID THE BIG BET (which i had already +17 points advantage at that time, and decided to leave the MUCH MUCH RISKIER bet on the straight win, which in the end very luckily won by two points in the dying seconds of the game).
this video has all the needed evidence of the above statement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NoksqLPnQ (you can actually see my main bet dissapearing in front of your eyes, while my team winning big)
For me this WAS a very respected casino/bookie, but in my experience they have:
ATTEMPTED TO STEAL from me
LIED to me
DID NOT KNOW their own rules
MADE MISTAKES (that eventually could cost bitcoin to us, the gamblers - https://i.gyazo.com/feb5f8373c844d6d54ccfd784e2c5881.png)
CHANGED THE TOS after i have signed up and agreed to the previous version
WAITED TO SEE THE CURRENT RESULT OF THE RUNNING game, to see if to void the bets
VOIDED only the bets with the highest probabilities, hoping the other, less probable bets, will loose
So now i claim that they should have never voided my bet 98ceb3de4980f92a of 0.105 BTC @ 1.859 on Hispano Americano +9 (Argentinian Basketball League)
the official result of the game can be found here http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/ADC/1843177/ and the bet on +9 easily won, as my team was leading big right from the opening whistle.
The voided this bet according to this rule they have:
Voided or Cancelled Bets
BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
THIS RULE IS JUST A DISGRACE TO ANY SPORTSBOOK. How they use it is also a disgrace. They void +9, but settle as WON a bet on straight win that was even taken AFTER the bet on +9
This rule they have (WHICH THEY CHANGED AFTER I HAVE SIGNED UP AND AGREED TO THE ToS) just opens a way for a very serious manipulation on the part of the casino.
As we can see from the situations above, they are using it to make money, by voiding winning bets from their winning customers.
I DEMAND FOR MY BITCOIN WON ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED BET TO BE PAID BACK TO ME.
P.S. after confronting them about the latest situation via the support, this is what i got in reply:
Hello,
1. There was an error on the voided terms and your bets were all re-considered after you contact us. After that and only after, we have changed the terms to up to 30 minutes.
2. Regarding the high withdrawal fee, there was a clear error because your funds were sent from an empty hotwallet that caused a lot of inputs that turned the transaction very heavy and expensive. Right after you reported it to us, we rapidly credited back the extra charged fees and took action to ensure this does not happen ever to another user (we have also checked and in fact it was the first and only time it ever occurred in a BetBTC withdrawal)
3. We now void all bets including smaller than 0.01btc if it fits the voiding terms, it is according to the terms already.
---
I inform you that your account will be permanently closed within the next 48 hours. Please withdrawal any remaining funds in your account until then, and don't create additional accounts here - there are a lot of other crypto sportsbooks you can use elsewhere.
Best regards,
BetBTC (admin)
They ADMIT the ERRORS, KEEP LYING and CHANGING their RULES AGAIN
if he has had his money and has not reported an update then he has caused heavy damage to betcoin.ag and he can blame himself it is good that it has been solved but the least he could have done is everyone on the forum inform that its solved and maybe its time to lock the topic
I have reported all the updates, Betcoin.ag has paid me in FULL (because SBR reported that their evidence was not strong enough), BUT they keep calling me a scammer and they have still not paid the other user. They decide to steal his money.
They are scammers, they were SO SURE i would not get a cent from them, but yet, they have paid me 20 000$+
Because they were afraid, and still are
But you didn't get paid in full, as per your own account you got your deposit back which is industry standard in similar cases, no?
i was paid the balance which i had in the moment i got my account closed. With all the bets settled as won later that day. Total about 1.1 BTC