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I have been waiting for over 3 months for 50 mbtc
and I know a couple others with 300-500mbtc+ balances who's last payout was sometime in march (so 4 months of waiting)
I think the last public payout I saw was early June, so very small chance they pay anyone else out at this point.
They had to abandon their old oddset due to bleeding so much money, doubt their old ultraplay odds will do much better.
Website probably goes offline and disappears by the end of the year.
and I know a couple others with 300-500mbtc+ balances who's last payout was sometime in march (so 4 months of waiting)
I think the last public payout I saw was early June, so very small chance they pay anyone else out at this point.
They had to abandon their old oddset due to bleeding so much money, doubt their old ultraplay odds will do much better.
Website probably goes offline and disappears by the end of the year.
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Very cool site!
How accurate is the KYC yes/no? Did you personally sign up and test, then execute a withdrawal?
Or was this just based on the information the casino gave themselves?
But I will be checking in on this a lot will be very helpful.
How accurate is the KYC yes/no? Did you personally sign up and test, then execute a withdrawal?
Or was this just based on the information the casino gave themselves?
But I will be checking in on this a lot will be very helpful.
Yes, no one knows, only the provider knows why. I asked around several contacts of mine, different platforms, where I didn't ask nor they mention what provider they use to ensure no bias [see it like I'm trying to have a double-blind-study here], and though the explanation come in different wordings, broken down, it come to one similar point: that the sportbook division has their own risk assessment team, and they're the one who make the call.
I think this is what happened with you and BetPanda with Betby. The call come from that separate entity. BetPanda reps have no idea the basis of the judgement. Of which, if you read the rest of the rep's explanation carefully [I can understand that you can't see it that way, from the current state you're in] they actually are trying to remedy or counter the situation by having reassessment. Whether that reassessment of their own bear a result where they refund you or not, it'll depend on what they find.
What I [think I] know though, the 18.2mbtc didn't slip into betpanda's pocket. It's not in their pocket. If they're paying you and overruling the decision of the provider, it's actually them paying from their own pocket, as the provider will not be the one liquidating the winning amount.
I confirm that I receive the information. Sadly, it doesn't help much, as I don't have contact with them, so I don't know if your account on those casinos are also already flagged by betby But to be on the safe side, perhaps it's wise to withdraw everything and move to other platform that's not share the same provider?
I think this is what happened with you and BetPanda with Betby. The call come from that separate entity. BetPanda reps have no idea the basis of the judgement. Of which, if you read the rest of the rep's explanation carefully [I can understand that you can't see it that way, from the current state you're in] they actually are trying to remedy or counter the situation by having reassessment. Whether that reassessment of their own bear a result where they refund you or not, it'll depend on what they find.
What I [think I] know though, the 18.2mbtc didn't slip into betpanda's pocket. It's not in their pocket. If they're paying you and overruling the decision of the provider, it's actually them paying from their own pocket, as the provider will not be the one liquidating the winning amount.
I'm sending you a PM with the requested information.
I confirm that I receive the information. Sadly, it doesn't help much, as I don't have contact with them, so I don't know if your account on those casinos are also already flagged by betby But to be on the safe side, perhaps it's wise to withdraw everything and move to other platform that's not share the same provider?
Why is it only betpanda then that is confiscating funds with betby? and all other sites using the betby provider are not having the same issue?
Couuld it be that all betby are relaying is that "customer is sharp, betting on +ev lines" and betpanda is seeing this --> referring to their terrible TOS --> confiscating user funds
I am 99% sure this will be answer, can betpanda provide the exact message relayed to them by betby? I'm assuming it's what I mentioned above.
I'm glad to hear that you're reviewing your internal processes. That’s a positive step.
Because from what you’ve stated yourselves, it seems like your own odds provider is seriously damaging your reputation. I strongly encourage you to align your practices with those of more reputable and transparent bookmakers in the industry.
I also hope that this review will be applied retroactively, and that you'll reconsider my case by carefully revisiting my betting history. I’ve done nothing wrong, and if you truly review it with fairness, you’ll see that I simply placed standard bets on major football leagues, like any regular sports bettor.
To this day, Betpanda is the only bookmaker to have suspended my account and confiscated my funds. I've never experienced anything like this before—because I’ve never done anything suspicious.
All I ask is to get back at least my deposit, which is rightfully mine. I still hope this situation can be resolved fairly.
Because from what you’ve stated yourselves, it seems like your own odds provider is seriously damaging your reputation. I strongly encourage you to align your practices with those of more reputable and transparent bookmakers in the industry.
I also hope that this review will be applied retroactively, and that you'll reconsider my case by carefully revisiting my betting history. I’ve done nothing wrong, and if you truly review it with fairness, you’ll see that I simply placed standard bets on major football leagues, like any regular sports bettor.
To this day, Betpanda is the only bookmaker to have suspended my account and confiscated my funds. I've never experienced anything like this before—because I’ve never done anything suspicious.
All I ask is to get back at least my deposit, which is rightfully mine. I still hope this situation can be resolved fairly.
They are lying by the way, betby only flags players as profitable and their positions as sharp (and then will limit the action of players doing this).
All the blame is on betpanda for having their terms to steal funds from profitable customers, they are just trying to not mention this clearly.
They seem to not understand yet that they are the outlier in the industry, and this will burn their site to the ground.
Wow this is genuinely insane. They took the action no problem and decided to start cancelling when the action was in a bad spot for them.
I would not of given them as much respect as you have so fair play to you.
Hopefully they give a response but I cannot think of a single good reason to cancel active winnings wagers.
I would not of given them as much respect as you have so fair play to you.
Hopefully they give a response but I cannot think of a single good reason to cancel active winnings wagers.
The reason why we keep mentioning that these investigations and decisions are done by them is simple: they are. We don't initiate investigations on players.
They inform us when players have engaged in suspicious activity and we then take the necessary action as per the Terms & Conditions of our services.
So we are not "blaming" anyone, we are simply explaining how the chain of information works in these cases.
However, we are reviewing the process and how these cases are handled, so there will be changes into how these situations are dealt with in the future.
They inform us when players have engaged in suspicious activity and we then take the necessary action as per the Terms & Conditions of our services.
So we are not "blaming" anyone, we are simply explaining how the chain of information works in these cases.
However, we are reviewing the process and how these cases are handled, so there will be changes into how these situations are dealt with in the future.
You are so disingenuous in your wording it's actually painful to read.
Betby DOES flag sharp/arb accounts and their traders give notes on them, this is not a problem it's standard.
However, you are the ones with insane Terms & Conditions that is STEALING customer funds and that is NOT an industry standard.
If betby sent the same message to sites like: 500.casino, roobet, luckyblock (big industry sites) they would not make the decision so steal funds.
"We would also like to reiterate that all of this is information comes from Betby, we do not initiate such investigations and all of these investigations are carried out by them"
The way you worded this makes it seem like betby is partly responsible when they're not, all other sites using their odds do not pocket the sharp funds, stop being disingenuous.
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You can search it easily and choose which casinos are popular here then you can visit their thread to verify their reputation.
This site list those no KYC betting sites also sportsbook https://bitedge.com/crypto-sports-betting/no-kyc-betting-sites/
So its up for people to verify and check which of these casino is suitable for them. I'm not familiar with other casino in the list so just like what I have been said better for people to dig more about their reputation to know if they are good casino to play on.
Also you don't need to argue about that since somehow this information is available everywhere.
This site list those no KYC betting sites also sportsbook https://bitedge.com/crypto-sports-betting/no-kyc-betting-sites/
So its up for people to verify and check which of these casino is suitable for them. I'm not familiar with other casino in the list so just like what I have been said better for people to dig more about their reputation to know if they are good casino to play on.
Also you don't need to argue about that since somehow this information is available everywhere.
As someone who has used nearly every single betting site on that page, they all ask for KYC.
and Betpanda is a scam.
These providers operate across multiple platforms and share intelligence about suspicious behavior, including arbitrage patterns. If you’re taking one side of a market on one site and the opposite on another — they see both sides. 
It’s normal for them to become aggressive because all this bookie will suffer shared losses if they allow continuous arbitrage betting due to +EV on every bets.
This is a huge amount of loss from all of them if there’s a bunch of user doing this method on large scale bet. As business, they will not allow a guaranteed profit because their operations profit will be affected.
They would suffer some small losses, but overall they are still printing an insane amount of money.
The very small amount of EV gained by sharps is absolutely miniscule compared to the losses of casino players and rec sports bettors.
It's literally like a drop in the ocean for these bigger companies, they can also manage their risk accordingly and cut users off (without stealing funds ofc).
The book has no idea if you are arbitrage betting since they don't know if you have a second book. The rule makes no sense. If the book doesn't want your action, then they should pay the player and ban him.
There’s problem is bookmaker usually have connections to each other that’s why they can cross examine accounts that doing arbitrage even from different casino.
Bookie connection is the only why they caught arbitrage betting or else you’re right that they don’t have any idea about arbitrage betting.
They will not care if you are doing arbitrage because they are not losing rather the other books in every successful arbitrage.
After checking their terms of service the only one with a rule against "arbitrage" is BC.GAME which is a massive red flag, I will never play there again.
I personally have played at all 4 and got paid out whilst EV betting, rollbit is extremely dodgy with all the false multi-account flags.
But sportsbet & stake for me were always super reputable books.
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Expect the same standard for casinos. They also don't care about your profits. . Perhaps you missed the term, 'from casino's perspective' in my post.
. Perhaps you missed the term, 'from casino's perspective' in my post. No it's "expect the same standard for scam casinos". No retail books operate this way and the large majority of crypto sites don't either.
This has never been an industry standard to just not payout under the guise of valuebetting or arb betting, NEVER.
Keep dying on the hill with the 10 or so scam casinos that have rules against winners in their ToS, really cool side to take here.
if the casino refuses to adhere to fair play, its rating will be at the level of 3 out of 5 with perfect work.
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Give them any rating in your own mind, who cares? But your argument is BS if you think you can convince someone with these overly generalized hypothetical scenarios.
The casinos should care, betpanda for example has a terrible rating outside of trustpilot where they have a 3.5/5, which would be a 1.5 if they didn't spam fake positive reviews.
Their casinoguru, askgamblers and general reputation is destroyed. If you google "betpanda" hundreds of scam accusations instantly popup.
This is obviously going to hurt their reputation and will eventually be their complete downfall when they lose potential valuable customers from not paying out small amount of winnings.
So yes, THEY probably should care.
BUT you are confusing the concepts of the future tense and the past!
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What this BS, correct retrospective actions are justified in almost every field: stock exchange regulators confiscating funds obtained by illegal trade, bookies doing the same for cheaters, etc. Come on, don't pretend to be so naive and don't argue just for the sake of argument.
Future and past, lol, really!!
Future and past, lol, really!!
This isn't the same at all, once again proving you're just really stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.
The correct comparison would be people betting on a fixed betting match and the bookies retrospectively voiding the bets after learning this, which is completely acceptable.
Betting some +ev lines where the bookies are just not pricing correctly is not the same.
And also try to answer the question, how can I documentarily confirm that my bets are not arbitrage? because I don't know the answer to this question and this is another fact that this rule can be applied to any player as unproven.
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Lol, you are presenting like there are thousands of arbitrage betting opportunities every hour . As I said earlier and no wonder you have not paid attention, arbitrage opportunities are super rare and certainly, you need at least two casinos to exploit the +odds difference. You can easily show that it is not possible to do arbitrage by simple math. If there is a possibility of arbitrage you have to show your bet history from both casinos (hoping that you are not doing that.). Ofcourse, You can create a hypothetical situation (which I am sure you will do ) whre it will be impossible to prove that you were not doing arbitrage betting, to which I have to say, bad luck man. It is like being in the wrong spot at wrong time
Again, let me restate that no reputable casino is built on robbing players.
. As I said earlier and no wonder you have not paid attention, arbitrage opportunities are super rare and certainly, you need at least two casinos to exploit the +odds difference. You can easily show that it is not possible to do arbitrage by simple math. If there is a possibility of arbitrage you have to show your bet history from both casinos (hoping that you are not doing that.). Ofcourse, You can create a hypothetical situation (which I am sure you will do ) whre it will be impossible to prove that you were not doing arbitrage betting, to which I have to say, bad luck man. It is like being in the wrong spot at wrong time Again, let me restate that no reputable casino is built on robbing players.
Yes in fact there is thousands of arbitrage betting opporutunities every hour, they are not super rare and it is just simple math.
Once again proving you are just yapping in this thread without knowing anything, please go watch a simple video to educate yourself.
Again let me restate that you're a moron, 97% of sites do not steal funds, the small percentage that do deserve to be flamed and criticized.
The answer is easy.
Arbitrage betting makes you win in the long run. As you are already aware, most gamblers lose in the term. If the players were the winners, then the casino would be the loser.
Since both the player and the casino can’t be the winners at the same time, the casino can’t afford to have long term winning players making bets on the casino.
That’s why in the ToS they usually ban arbitrage/EV betting.
If you can’t handle this, don’t play.
Arbitrage betting makes you win in the long run. As you are already aware, most gamblers lose in the term. If the players were the winners, then the casino would be the loser.
Since both the player and the casino can’t be the winners at the same time, the casino can’t afford to have long term winning players making bets on the casino.
That’s why in the ToS they usually ban arbitrage/EV betting.
If you can’t handle this, don’t play.
yap yap yap but not reading , go spin your slots buddy.
Arbitrage betting is forbiden on casinos, they consider it as an abuse, and I don’t know how but they will know if you are doing it with multiple casinos, so, users must be careful about this linda of practices because just as op mention they will close your account and keep your money of you they it.
It is not "forbidden on caisnos" it is not allowed on a VERY SMALL percentage of sketchy ass scammy crypto casinos.
97% of the sites I've used in my lifetime paid me out no issues and have nothing about not allowed arbitrage or sportsbook advantage play in their terms of service.
and I am a longterm advantage player doing this for a living, I have easily played at 200+ different betting sites.
It is the small minority of terribly ran greedy casinos:
betpanda, sportbet.one, WE88 and rainbet from the top of my head.
That have forced this narrative on people of this forum that it's somehow in their right to take winnings from players under the guise of "arbitrage betting".
Now this next point is VERY IMPORTANT to everyone, so PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY:
Casinos will NEVER EVER be able to know if someone is arbitrage betting.
In order for them to know if you are arbitrage betting, they need to have the other side of your bets which would be placed at a completely different casino (and different oddset/odds provider)
So unless the same parent company owns two casinos, and they are communicating with each other (very rare situation) it's just not possible for them to know.
This is CRUCIAL to understand, because lots of people on this forum: holydarkness I'M SPEAKING TO YOU HERE. Believe that arbitrage is somehow poossible on a single set of odds, it is not.
These bookies also do not allow valuebetting or anything that would put the customer in an advantage over the casino.
This is completely insane considering valuebetting is just having a better opinion on the probability of an outcome occurring.
If I think the Golden State Warriors should be favourites against their opponent from some basic analysis, form and lineup news, but the bookmaker disagrees.
Then over a big sample I am correct more than them, I am now a sharp and a value bettor. Sites like betpanda would literally confiscate your funds for using your brain in this way.
You just have to avoid these terrible businesses and do research before signing up, stick to the legit sites that have been reputable for a long time in this space.
Out of interest what are the max limits you are accepting on bets?
1btc bankroll for a bookie is really low, most new bookmakers struggle with sharps killing them with not much soft action.
You need to be very careful you don't lose this budget fast.
1btc bankroll for a bookie is really low, most new bookmakers struggle with sharps killing them with not much soft action.
You need to be very careful you don't lose this budget fast.
Unfortunately you have 0 chance of receiving your money, betpanda are truly an awful plague on crypto gambling sites.
They confiscate funds on ANY winners on their sportsbook side, because to them anyone winning is abusing something.
Intentially misinterpreting betbys messages to confiscate winning players funds.
Always search up scam reports before opening a site anywhere, luckily I avoided this one due to the constant scam reports.
They confiscate funds on ANY winners on their sportsbook side, because to them anyone winning is abusing something.
Intentially misinterpreting betbys messages to confiscate winning players funds.
Always search up scam reports before opening a site anywhere, luckily I avoided this one due to the constant scam reports.
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Weekly post,
WE88 is still a scam don't play here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5528471.0
If you win on their sportsbook scam you and not payout, you've been warned.
If you're playing casino I would not risk it either, just play at one of the more legitimate reputable sites.
WE88 is still a scam don't play here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5528471.0
If you win on their sportsbook scam you and not payout, you've been warned.
If you're playing casino I would not risk it either, just play at one of the more legitimate reputable sites.
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Just replying to support OP, Rollbit accuses nearly everyone of multiaccounting.
I've seen 5 or more get overturned on this forum alone and the user later paid out, hopefully the same happens to you.
I've seen 5 or more get overturned on this forum alone and the user later paid out, hopefully the same happens to you.
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Disappointed, just made an account a couple days ago and the maxbet on Rockets against Warriors in the NBA playoffs is $100?
Why would I ever play here, Barcelona vs Inter Milan also $100
They said its a default across the board, but why are they offering such low limits?
Why would I ever play here, Barcelona vs Inter Milan also $100
They said its a default across the board, but why are they offering such low limits?
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Nah, I already comment.
I never take a looks on "Sportbet" case. I'm casino never found a problem on every casino, I already withdraw few thousand on some local casino like BK8 and other even there has some case are mostly (Sportbet) but never take a looks for Sportbet case.
Sportbet case is always tricky, either the user arbitrage or abused. Always has been.... my problem on casino journey 4 years is only deposit on the wrong network and is solved.
I never take a looks on "Sportbet" case. I'm casino never found a problem on every casino, I already withdraw few thousand on some local casino like BK8 and other even there has some case are mostly (Sportbet) but never take a looks for Sportbet case.
Sportbet case is always tricky, either the user arbitrage or abused. Always has been.... my problem on casino journey 4 years is only deposit on the wrong network and is solved.
I don't have an interest in discussing with you, you play casino so you will never have a problem with any site.
They have no reason to scam you as you can never win, long term you will always lose.
"Sportbet case is always tricky, either the user arbitrage or abused" I did neither but there is no way a site can know a user is arbitrage betting anyway.
Just a classic scam sportsbook who won't pay out if people win there, I will keep posting that they scammed every month unless they pay.
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Nope, they don't need two different providers for that. Two different casinos, yes, quite likely. Two different providers? No. One provider that facilitate casinos with sportsbetting is enough. They can collect the data of the bets, as basically all data are being analyzed by them. And OP, apparently, played in tons of casinos. How small is the margin that amongst those casinos, two or three or four of them are with Betby?
I would never have so much confidence in something where I'm just wrong.