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Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909632.msg10066106#msg10066106
loan has been repaid waiting for redsn0w now
loan has been repaid waiting for redsn0w now
As requested by redsn0w
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This is the Real Moreia
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1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
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-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is the Real Moreia
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
HNxfWiK4YyYVlbY0Gpe3E2vsef7BEc2O573UnMGRG/HeY72Y1DXooYQBXr8DsSq8BY939zLf622HmkiLTc+BBD8=
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Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.
On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed. Is there proof of this?
I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.
I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password
This seems plausible.
I did not give permission to redsn0w nor did he notify me about changing the email settings to public
Besides, the rogue took place AFTER redsn0w took control meaning he should have changed the email in the first place as general escrow procedure
I am not at fault here. Im just grateful he recovered the account
I don't understand what happened....sorry to but in, but
I recently started escrowing accounts for people on microloans
and want to make sure this doesn't happen to me.
You set the email address to something "random" and someone
just guessed it? Or what? How was it hacked?
The email was not changed by the escrow.I recently started escrowing accounts for people on microloans
and want to make sure this doesn't happen to me.
You set the email address to something "random" and someone
just guessed it? Or what? How was it hacked?
The email was : sfdsfsfsfs@mail.com and maybe someone registered it or I don't know what happened.
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password
This is both of our fault, you for not changing the email and me for not reverting email privacy back to
private
You still should have changed the email as that is standard procedure when doing an escrow service.
I still personally do not believe I am completely responsible for this. I am still a legitimate member and will pay the loan back when it is due. I don't see why I have to incur the .08 interest in less than 12 hours of getting the loan
It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.
Again ...
read the post above yours.
I read it correctly. I'm pointing out you did not change the email, that was your mistake. But I'm also saying, in order to solve all the problems, Moriea should repay (in a week if that's needed) and you should fix the account.
it is not my mistake , because he told that it was a random letters so the email wasn't valid ( I didn't change it) but someone has recovered the account through it.
So at the end the email is valid , and it is not mine because I didn't change it.
But you should change the email at all times, even if a person says it's not valid. You see what happened because of it. It's like keeping someones account in escrow with a passed over a blindly typed password believing the person really did blindly type the password.
It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.
Again ...
read the post above yours.
I read it correctly. I'm pointing out you did not change the email, that was your mistake. But I'm also saying, in order to solve all the problems, Moriea should repay (in a week if that's needed) and you should fix the account.
It is not my mistake , because he told that it was a random letters so the email wasn't valid ( I didn't change it) but someone has recovered the account through it. So at the end the email is valid , and it is not mine because I didn't change it.
that means it is a valid address and someone used it to recover the account or some bs like this.
I didn't know it was valid, I expected you to change it as usuall!!
It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.
Again ...
read the post above yours.
I read it correctly. I'm pointing out you did not change the email, that was your mistake. But I'm also saying, in order to solve all the problems, Moriea should repay (in a week if that's needed) and you should fix the account.
It is not my mistake , because he told that it was a random letters so the email wasn't valid ( I didn't change it) but someone has recovered the account through it. So at the end the email is valid , and it is not mine because I didn't change it.
Yes you made a mistake by not changing it..who cares what he said. You lost control of something you were escrowing. Let's see what the admins say about the ip's. Morea should not have to pay early...he should pay according to the loan terms.
I am glad to see people are not all cracking it at me, and are actually understanding this is not my fault
Quote from: moreia_alt
you are laughing at peoples financial loss??
No, i am not laughing. As i said, it is just entertaining a little bit. Hell, i don't even know who is right here. Redsn0w guy is a trusted member of the community, and it seems people think he is right. (not me, i am neutral)
You say, he gave you the wrong btc address and you sent the promised amount of btc to that address. I haven't read any answer about that from redsn0w. (probably i missed it)
No you are wrong already
get the fuck out you idiot stop clogging this thread with your bullshit for your sig campaign
reported
It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.
I SIGNED THE LOAN ADDRESS IN THE OP, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED!!!
At least he has control of my account, I hope this is all fixed by the time the loan is repayed. my fingers are crossed
It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.
Again ...
read the post above yours.
I read it correctly. I'm pointing out you did not change the email, that was your mistake. But I'm also saying, in order to solve all the problems, Moriea should repay (in a week if that's needed) and you should fix the account.
This whole scenario is getting interesting. Almost like a free movie.
http://media.giphy.com/media/6ZXoMtHImZOgw/giphy.gif
http://media.giphy.com/media/6ZXoMtHImZOgw/giphy.gif
you are laughing at peoples financial loss??
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THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL !!! YOU AND DEVTHEDEV BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL MY EMAIL IS NOT THAT IT STARTS WITH DZERO!!!
Why are you involving him?BECAUSE HE HAS DONE AN ESCROW WITH MY VIA THAT EMAIL BEFORE!! that is the only email I ever use in assosciation to my bitcointalk account
But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!!
i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!
I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal
Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?!
That doesn't matter, just repay. You are aware of what happened. Repay the loan because of all the happenings and then you'll get your account back and eventually the mods can recover your account to its original state.
Well, it would be more appropriate to continue doing business when all problems are solved, he may be able to loan his 0.8 again. Who says this alt account can be trusted? There's a chance it will get worse if he doesn't repay.
No, he definitely will not, it is pretty much assured I am never getting a loan from this community again thanks to redsnow
I am repaying when it is due or a bit earlier
As for anyone reading this thread...CHECK THE TIME REDSNOW SAID HE WAS IN CONTROL OF THE ACCOUNT AND THEN WHEN THE ACCOUNT WENT ROGUE!!! THAT PROVES THIS IS NOT MY FAULT!
I know , but when you gave me your forum account in collateral I found this email :
sfdsfsfsfs@mail.com
So I didn't change it , maybe we can ask theymos (because someone has recovered the password through the email).
https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
sfdsfsfsfs@mail.com
So I didn't change it , maybe we can ask theymos (because someone has recovered the password through the email).
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January 01, 2015, 07:24:47 PM - moreia - password reset via email
https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
I JUST USED A BS EMAIL!! THAT IS NOT MINE. YOU KNOW THAT. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ACCOUNT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FUCKING CHANGE THE EMAIL SO THE BORROWER CAN NOT RECOVER IT, YOU KNOW THIS STOP PLAYING GAMESS!!!!!!!
But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!!
i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!
I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal
Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?!
That doesn't matter, just repay. You are aware of what happened. Repay the loan because of all the happenings and then you'll get your account back and eventually the mods can recover your account to its original state.
But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!!
i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!
I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal
Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?!
That doesn't matter, just repay. You are aware of what happened. Repay the loan because of all the happenings and then you'll get your account back and eventually the mods can recover your account to it's original state.
I AM NOT REPAYING UNTIL IT IS DUE. I HAVE MY OWN FINANCES TO TAKE CARE OF RIGHT NOW, YOU CANNOT SIT HERE AND BLAME ME FOR THIS WHEN IT IS REDSNOWS FAULT. I PROVIDED ALL EVIDENCE THIS WAS NOT ME, REDSNOW HAD POSESSION OF MY FUCKING ACCOUNT!!!
I WAS OFFLINE WHEN ALL THIS OCCURED, ASK MICHAEL AND WILLIAM I HAVE NOT BEEN ON SKYPE TILL NOW!
I TYPED A BS EMAIL IN BEFORE THE ACCOUNT WENT INTO ESCROW sfdsfsfsfs@mail.com and REDSNOW DID NOT CHANGE THE EMAIL. IT IS SOME RANDOM, I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS REAL!!!
I THINK HE IS LYING. HE MADE THIS account as I AM SURE I DID HOTMAIL I NEVER USE MAIL.COM
REDSNOW PLEASE TELL US THE TRUTH!! I EMAILED YOU FROM MY EMAIL OVER 20 TIMES WHY DO YOU THINK THIS TIME WAS ANY DIFFERENT!!!!
THERE ARE TO MANY FLAWS IN YOUR ARGUMENTS AND STATEMENTS, PLEASE, TELL US THE TRUTH
I just want my account back to normal when I repay this loan. I am still going to repay in the few days for the loan, just please if anyone needs proof add me on skype: moreia.bitcointalk MICHAEL CAN CONFIRM this is the real me so PLEASE help
But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!!
i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!
I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal
Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?!
That doesn't matter, just repay. You are aware of what happened. Repay the loan because of all the happenings and then you'll get your account back and eventually the mods can recover your account to its original state.
Redsn0w already owns the account right now. But Redsn0w wants Moreia to repay ASAP because of this whole situation, and I can completely understand why. I don't know why you 2 can't.
MY ACCOUNT WAS JACKED WHILE IN REDSN0WS POSSESSION, I HAVE NOT LOGGED IN SINCE I RECEIVED THE LOAN!!!!
I STILL HAVE THE .8BTC BUT IT IS NOT DUE UNTIL 6 MORE DAYS!!!!
READ THE BELOW QUOTES
Redsn0w ADMITTED to taking control of my account. He had control BEFORE lihuajkl sent me the loan, BEFORE THESE STUPID POSTS WERE MADE. This is the real moreia and I can sign my address that I received the loan with if you like. After this point in time where I confirmed I received the loan with this alt, I was offline. CHECK MY ACCOUNT ACTIVITY
I've woken up to my account destroyed. I don't know if redsn0w is responsible or what, but I can teamview this PM with anyone and you will see redsn0w confirmed that my account went into his possession.
PLEASE, I have the .8BTC loan, I am keeping it for one week like promised and returning. But PLEASE understand I did NOT try to scam my account back!!
I AM GLAD redsn0w got my account back, but I want it transferred to another escrow for both of our security. That WAS NOT me who posted, please read these PM's I beg you!!
My alt account is now in this convo, I have given the password to redsn0w
redsn0w please take control and update all necessary info on the thread
Thanks! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909632.0
Done I've changed the password & forum question (and also the signature) now (lihuajkl) you can send him the loan.
lihuajkl my address is 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ for the .8BTC
Please post your repayment address on the thread
thanks
https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/b5142dce76af8bcf3188de5060be93f7b1726dc248f3a7f7191b46cdab9d546c
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL !!! YOU AND DEVTHEDEV BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL MY EMAIL IS NOT THAT IT STARTS WITH DZERO!!!
Now I have the account , I'm really disappointed this is a very bad situation only for a mistake of random letters in the email address. Maybe the staff members can unBan the forum account and I can send it to lihuajkl if the loan will not be repaid.
THE DEAL SHOULD BE CARRIED ON AS NORMAL!!! I AM SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LOAN FOR 6 MORE DAYS(
I STILL HAVE THE .8BTC BUT IT IS NOT DUE UNTIL 6 MORE DAYS!!!!
READ THE BELOW QUOTES
Redsn0w ADMITTED to taking control of my account. He had control BEFORE lihuajkl sent me the loan, BEFORE THESE STUPID POSTS WERE MADE. This is the real moreia and I can sign my address that I received the loan with if you like. After this point in time where I confirmed I received the loan with this alt, I was offline. CHECK MY ACCOUNT ACTIVITY
I've woken up to my account destroyed. I don't know if redsn0w is responsible or what, but I can teamview this PM with anyone and you will see redsn0w confirmed that my account went into his possession.
PLEASE, I have the .8BTC loan, I am keeping it for one week like promised and returning. But PLEASE understand I did NOT try to scam my account back!!
I AM GLAD redsn0w got my account back, but I want it transferred to another escrow for both of our security. That WAS NOT me who posted, please read these PM's I beg you!!
hi,
I am messaging to put my account in escrow for lihuajkl for a .8BTC loan
Loan address: 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
Process:
1. I will give redsn0w a temporary password to this account
2. Once redsn0w has confirmed that he can login to the account, lihuajkl sends the BTC to the loan address on the thread
3. Once it's been sent and TXID has been posted redsn0w may take full ownership of the account
4. Once loan is repaid within 7 days with interest specified on the thread, the account is reset back to the TEMPORARY PASSWORD
4b. If the loan defaults, the account info is forwarded to lihuajkl
On confirmation from redsn0w I will send him the temp password and wait for the loan to be received.
Thank you
I may change one term, after redsn0w takes control of moreia's account (change the password), I will release the loan to moreia! moreia , Do you agree? I am messaging to put my account in escrow for lihuajkl for a .8BTC loan
Loan address: 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
Process:
1. I will give redsn0w a temporary password to this account
2. Once redsn0w has confirmed that he can login to the account, lihuajkl sends the BTC to the loan address on the thread
3. Once it's been sent and TXID has been posted redsn0w may take full ownership of the account
4. Once loan is repaid within 7 days with interest specified on the thread, the account is reset back to the TEMPORARY PASSWORD
4b. If the loan defaults, the account info is forwarded to lihuajkl
On confirmation from redsn0w I will send him the temp password and wait for the loan to be received.
Thank you
redsn0w please take control and update all necessary info on the thread
Thanks! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909632.0
Done I've changed the password & forum question (and also the signature) now (lihuajkl) you can send him the loan.
Please post your repayment address on the thread
thanks
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
Post now the transaction , it is very strange... how did you recover your account ?
but the email was something like that : sgssdsds@hotmail.com
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Today at 07:24:47 PM - moreia - password reset via email
but the email was something like that : sgssdsds@hotmail.com
THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL !!! YOU AND DEVTHEDEV BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL MY EMAIL IS NOT THAT IT STARTS WITH DZERO!!!
...
You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank).
Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership.
I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case.
You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank).
Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership.
I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case.
Now I have the account , I'm really disappointed this is a very bad situation only for a mistake of random letters in the email address. Maybe the staff members can unBan the forum account and I can send it to lihuajkl if the loan will not be repaid.
THE DEAL SHOULD BE CARRIED ON AS NORMAL!!! I AM SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LOAN FOR 6 MORE DAYS
(If you're telling the truth I should repay the loan first. Redsn0w is stressed out because of all the happenings, even if you're telling the truth.
But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!!
i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!
I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal
Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?!
SIGNED MESSAGE: THIS IS MOREAI, THE REAL ONE: 1NXptrkTgeQf7KCNjzYzA1EQxs9rGsUbUf
G1E54lspnvlI1j9akTd3VTW+3ap9Vz5Fw6NcKfpJaKL8IHlF68/WOmFutlUYAHPTQan+hcSYIMdI2k3O2AjMvWw=
SIGNED MESSAGE: THIS IS MOREAI, THE REAL ONE (LOAN RECEIPT ADDRESS): 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
HIeV6UEWWjsHaiOgJZMFBKGMuHBl/sB4V/Fh9x8zxyC2f8Jt/cAJZDworJMX0Qtyr/4WZyZmA69qTt6z0bhDDOE=
MY ACCOUNT WAS JACKED WHILE IN REDSN0WS POSSESSION, I HAVE NOT LOGGED IN SINCE I RECEIVED THE LOAN!!!!
I STILL HAVE THE .8BTC BUT IT IS NOT DUE UNTIL 6 MORE DAYS!!!!
READ THE BELOW QUOTES
Redsn0w ADMITTED to taking control of my account. He had control BEFORE lihuajkl sent me the loan, BEFORE THESE STUPID POSTS WERE MADE. This is the real moreia and I can sign my address that I received the loan with if you like. After this point in time where I confirmed I received the loan with this alt, I was offline. CHECK MY ACCOUNT ACTIVITY
I've woken up to my account destroyed. I don't know if redsn0w is responsible or what, but I can teamview this PM with anyone and you will see redsn0w confirmed that my account went into his possession.
PLEASE, I have the .8BTC loan, I am keeping it for one week like promised and returning. But PLEASE understand I did NOT try to scam my account back!!
I AM GLAD redsn0w got my account back, but I want it transferred to another escrow for both of our security. That WAS NOT me who posted, please read these PM's I beg you!!
My alt account is now in this convo, I have given the password to redsn0w
redsn0w please take control and update all necessary info on the thread
Thanks! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909632.0
Done I've changed the password & forum question (and also the signature) now (lihuajkl) you can send him the loan.
lihuajkl my address is 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ for the .8BTC
Please post your repayment address on the thread
thanks
https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/b5142dce76af8bcf3188de5060be93f7b1726dc248f3a7f7191b46cdab9d546c
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL !!! YOU AND DEVTHEDEV BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL MY EMAIL IS NOT THAT IT STARTS WITH DZERO!!!
Now I have the account , I'm really disappointed this is a very bad situation only for a mistake of random letters in the email address. Maybe the staff members can unBan the forum account and I can send it to lihuajkl if the loan will not be repaid.
THE DEAL SHOULD BE CARRIED ON AS NORMAL!!! I AM SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LOAN FOR 6 MORE DAYS(
G1E54lspnvlI1j9akTd3VTW+3ap9Vz5Fw6NcKfpJaKL8IHlF68/WOmFutlUYAHPTQan+hcSYIMdI2k3O2AjMvWw=
SIGNED MESSAGE: THIS IS MOREAI, THE REAL ONE (LOAN RECEIPT ADDRESS): 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
HIeV6UEWWjsHaiOgJZMFBKGMuHBl/sB4V/Fh9x8zxyC2f8Jt/cAJZDworJMX0Qtyr/4WZyZmA69qTt6z0bhDDOE=
MY ACCOUNT WAS JACKED WHILE IN REDSN0WS POSSESSION, I HAVE NOT LOGGED IN SINCE I RECEIVED THE LOAN!!!!
I STILL HAVE THE .8BTC BUT IT IS NOT DUE UNTIL 6 MORE DAYS!!!!
READ THE BELOW QUOTES
Redsn0w ADMITTED to taking control of my account. He had control BEFORE lihuajkl sent me the loan, BEFORE THESE STUPID POSTS WERE MADE. This is the real moreia and I can sign my address that I received the loan with if you like. After this point in time where I confirmed I received the loan with this alt, I was offline. CHECK MY ACCOUNT ACTIVITY
I've woken up to my account destroyed. I don't know if redsn0w is responsible or what, but I can teamview this PM with anyone and you will see redsn0w confirmed that my account went into his possession.
PLEASE, I have the .8BTC loan, I am keeping it for one week like promised and returning. But PLEASE understand I did NOT try to scam my account back!!
I AM GLAD redsn0w got my account back, but I want it transferred to another escrow for both of our security. That WAS NOT me who posted, please read these PM's I beg you!!
hi,
I am messaging to put my account in escrow for lihuajkl for a .8BTC loan
Loan address: 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
Process:
1. I will give redsn0w a temporary password to this account
2. Once redsn0w has confirmed that he can login to the account, lihuajkl sends the BTC to the loan address on the thread
3. Once it's been sent and TXID has been posted redsn0w may take full ownership of the account
4. Once loan is repaid within 7 days with interest specified on the thread, the account is reset back to the TEMPORARY PASSWORD
4b. If the loan defaults, the account info is forwarded to lihuajkl
On confirmation from redsn0w I will send him the temp password and wait for the loan to be received.
Thank you
I may change one term, after redsn0w takes control of moreia's account (change the password), I will release the loan to moreia! moreia , Do you agree? I am messaging to put my account in escrow for lihuajkl for a .8BTC loan
Loan address: 1AbPEJEGeuvXDoD2qGeYf8P5TB6nwseNrQ
Process:
1. I will give redsn0w a temporary password to this account
2. Once redsn0w has confirmed that he can login to the account, lihuajkl sends the BTC to the loan address on the thread
3. Once it's been sent and TXID has been posted redsn0w may take full ownership of the account
4. Once loan is repaid within 7 days with interest specified on the thread, the account is reset back to the TEMPORARY PASSWORD
4b. If the loan defaults, the account info is forwarded to lihuajkl
On confirmation from redsn0w I will send him the temp password and wait for the loan to be received.
Thank you
redsn0w please take control and update all necessary info on the thread
Thanks! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909632.0
Done I've changed the password & forum question (and also the signature) now (lihuajkl) you can send him the loan.
Please post your repayment address on the thread
thanks
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
Post now the transaction , it is very strange... how did you recover your account ?
but the email was something like that : sgssdsds@hotmail.com
Code:
Today at 07:24:47 PM - moreia - password reset via email
but the email was something like that : sgssdsds@hotmail.com
THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL !!! YOU AND DEVTHEDEV BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT MY EMAIL MY EMAIL IS NOT THAT IT STARTS WITH DZERO!!!
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You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank).
Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership.
I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case.
You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank).
Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership.
I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case.
Now I have the account , I'm really disappointed this is a very bad situation only for a mistake of random letters in the email address. Maybe the staff members can unBan the forum account and I can send it to lihuajkl if the loan will not be repaid.
THE DEAL SHOULD BE CARRIED ON AS NORMAL!!! I AM SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LOAN FOR 6 MORE DAYS
(Re: Moreia - 0.4-0.8BTC needed 10%-15% interest, 7 days, 2 OPTIONS. [FINAL PHASES]
https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/b5142dce76af8bcf3188de5060be93f7b1726dc248f3a7f7191b46cdab9d546c
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
repay address is:1PvdjK1qcmhZyRkwgmUtsm9vYMiQ3XEMf7
I confirm I have received the loan of .8BTC from lihuajkl
Re: Moreia - 0.4-0.8BTC needed 10%-15% interest, 7 days, 2 OPTIONS. [FINAL PHASES]
So now, to prove you aren't a signature spammer, remove your posts so that they do not count toward your signature campaign.
Sick of you fools ruining this forum. Im going to keep these posts here to prove how bullshit these sig campaigns are becoming around here.
I am paid up to 50 post per week. I have already made more than 50 posts this week so does it matter (I'm at 88)? But sure I'll delete those two posts for you since you obviously have something up your scheming ass.Sick of you fools ruining this forum. Im going to keep these posts here to prove how bullshit these sig campaigns are becoming around here.
What the hell are you talking about
My previous loan has been repaid.
Because the interest was earned, development fees were paid and I bed more funds to continue with the development of the project. He was promised 7 days interest, that's what he got. I would rather return a day or so early than right on the fine line.
I offer 0.4BTC option so I don't have to put my account in collateral and to prove im not a confidence scammer
If this option is chosen I'll need obviously two of these loans
For 2) I misread. Thought you said that you would accept a loan of 0.40 or 0.80 and only one.My previous loan has been repaid.
Because the interest was earned, development fees were paid and I bed more funds to continue with the development of the project. He was promised 7 days interest, that's what he got. I would rather return a day or so early than right on the fine line.
I offer 0.4BTC option so I don't have to put my account in collateral and to prove im not a confidence scammer
If this option is chosen I'll need obviously two of these loans
1) If you really need the loan why did you pay back the previous loan early? Why not wait the full 7 days and pay back giving you more time?
2) If you really need this loan why are there two amounts? Collateral should have nothing to do with how much someone actually needs if the collateral doesn't affect their cash flow. Do you need 0.40 or do you need 0.80? If its 0.40 you need why do you need more? If its 0.80 you need why offer for a loan of only 0.40?
I don't know if you're a buildup scammer but everything you've done on these forums past couple months raises a lot of red flags.
2) If you really need this loan why are there two amounts? Collateral should have nothing to do with how much someone actually needs if the collateral doesn't affect their cash flow. Do you need 0.40 or do you need 0.80? If its 0.40 you need why do you need more? If its 0.80 you need why offer for a loan of only 0.40?
I don't know if you're a buildup scammer but everything you've done on these forums past couple months raises a lot of red flags.
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
I have repaid the loan: https://blockchain.info/tx/531304961df7c92f40c14cab4b634ae0d2c871539bf42cd5bce6b454f020463a
Emailed Redsn0w regarding regaining access to my account!
Thank you
Emailed Redsn0w regarding regaining access to my account!
Thank you
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
Loan amount: .65BTC
Repayment Terms: 7 days due on January 03rd 2015
Repayment Amount: .726BTC
Repayment Address: 18QHkstdfrJUuF8Mn3xeajTQDn8f22ku74
Collateral : Forum account held by Redsn0w.
Transaction of loan: https://blockchain.info/tx/654400b9d948f756488b2978b4b7045a120f184a13a66487bf32688fd0ccee8a
Somebody quote this please.
Beautiful.Repayment Terms: 7 days due on January 03rd 2015
Repayment Amount: .726BTC
Repayment Address: 18QHkstdfrJUuF8Mn3xeajTQDn8f22ku74
Collateral : Forum account held by Redsn0w.
Transaction of loan: https://blockchain.info/tx/654400b9d948f756488b2978b4b7045a120f184a13a66487bf32688fd0ccee8a
Somebody quote this please.
This is the organization I originally wanted guys, thank you!
Confirmed from Moreia's Alt which will NEVER be put into collateral. This is me!
See you guys in a few days
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
Every week I am paying developer fees, this is the second last loan until im done.From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I have one more loan of .8BTC until ive gotten enough to pay all developer fees and then I am no longer in need of loans for this specific project
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
This. Noticing this as well. If you look at this user's past history he also has a frequency to gamble high amounts (his case against fairproof) and sent out bugged links or something which many people thought was an attempt to scam. From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I would be leary to lend this user especially more than 0.40 (the max the account is worth).
For starters I am not in the same financial situation I was in when I was playing at FairProof. I lost 8BTC from those scammers. They stole that from me.
That was also months ago now.
Also, these development fees are quite expensive. My own funds are of course being used, though it isn't enough to cover everything (2.6BTC short hence the partial loans).
I do not gamble unless I can afford to lose, when I played at FairProof I could afford to lose, though I didn't and being scammed 8BTC was a position i couldn't be in. If I wasn't scammed I would not need these loans, that's a fact we cannot change.
Tldr, financial situations change. Why are you bringing situations back from months ago when I haven't even been involved in the gambling scene since being scammed by fairproof?
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
This. Noticing this as well. If you look at this user's past history he also has a frequency to gamble high amounts (his case against fairproof) and sent out bugged links or something which many people thought was an attempt to scam. From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I would be leary to lend this user especially more than 0.40 (the max the account is worth).
1. Maidak was online (so his profile said) so I got worried. That was solved within 24 hours and resolved.
2. Redsn0w has not followed the procedure both myself and BiTJack agreed to Via PM if he sends te credentials to the lender.
What has this got to do with the malware incident, getting scammed by fairproof (which I still am owed AT THE MINIMUM 1.5BTC) and my loans for my projects??
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
Every week I am paying developer fees, this is the second last loan until im done.From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I have one more loan of .8BTC until ive gotten enough to pay all developer fees and then I am no longer in need of loans for this specific project
I am sorry to bitjack for calling him out on this right after you lent him money as this will increase the chance that he will not repay you
Seriously, this hasn't hindered anyone's chances to get repaid. I'll repay just as I have the last 3 loans. Just because you THINK you have called me out by bringing back situations from months ago, really hasn't done anything at all but arise problems and worries for the lenders which is completely unnecessary and unrelated.
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
Every week I am paying developer fees, this is the second last loan until im done.From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I have one more loan of .8BTC until ive gotten enough to pay all developer fees and then I am no longer in need of loans for this specific project
Am I the only person who has noticed that the OP is requesting increasingly large loans as soon as the previous loan has been repaid, while using the exact same collateral each time? This appears to be some kind of reputation building scam.
From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
This. Noticing this as well. If you look at this user's past history he also has a frequency to gamble high amounts (his case against fairproof) and sent out bugged links or something which many people thought was an attempt to scam. From what I have seen, senior accounts do not sell for .65
I would be leary to lend this user especially more than 0.40 (the max the account is worth).
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
REDSN0W YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE BITJACK THE ACCOUNT UNLESS I DEFAULT ON THE LOAN
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
How do you know he gave bitjack your account? He hasn't posted from it. PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
I went afk for a sec and I come back to this email:
Redsn0w to me:
I have changed the password , and I will give the access data to him when I see that you have received the loan.
He is giving him the account as if I have already defaulted when this IS NOT what I have agreed on!! I am extremely worried about my account, and who's ownership it is in.
REDSN0W YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE BITJACK THE ACCOUNT UNLESS I DEFAULT ON THE LOAN
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
Redsn0w have the credentials of your account, i have no details of it. He needs to confirm here that he has taken the ownership of the account.
You are not to login to my account nor know the credentials of it UNLESS I default on the loan, THAT is how I have gone with every other loan here and that is what I specified in the group PM between myself, you and the escrow.
Well, i agreed to the terms but Redsn0w have gotten in some misunderstanding. I have no details of you account and he haven't send me anything yet.
I have sent him a PM and Email, he need to confirm now. He's offline now!!
I am respectfully asking that if redsn0w sends you account details you DO NOT login, and that you request redsn0w to change the password for the security of this deal and for my own conscience.
I was in fury about 10 minutes ago when I got that email thinking that this deal could of crashed and burned. BUT never the less, my faith has been restored and you've gained my trust so far.
Hopefully this deal is smooth sale from here on out. Waiting on redsn0w's email reply or post.
Re: Loan Request: 0.65BTC, Collateral Included -- 10% Interest, 0.726BTC/7 Days
REDSN0W YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE BITJACK THE ACCOUNT UNLESS I DEFAULT ON THE LOAN
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
How do you know he gave bitjack your account? He hasn't posted from it. PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
I went afk for a sec and I come back to this email:
Redsn0w to me:
I have changed the password , and I will give the access data to him when I see that you have received the loan.
He is giving him the account as if I have already defaulted when this IS NOT what I have agreed on!! I am extremely worried about my account, and who's ownership it is in.
REDSN0W YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE BITJACK THE ACCOUNT UNLESS I DEFAULT ON THE LOAN
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
PLEASE recover my account IMMEDIATELY. He is not supposed to have any access to the account UNLESS the loan defaults!!!!
Please change my signature to "Redsn0w owns this account in collateral" when redsn0w recovers my account. I am getting extremely worried!!
Redsn0w have the credentials of your account, i have no details of it. He needs to confirm here that he has taken the ownership of the account.
You are not to login to my account nor know the credentials of it UNLESS I default on the loan, THAT is how I have gone with every other loan here and that is what I specified in the group PM between myself, you and the escrow.