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Re: [0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING
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PlayBetr
on 16/03/2023, 17:13:21 UTC
what other mediation sites can the player use? 

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.
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Re: [0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING
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PlayBetr
on 16/03/2023, 13:10:00 UTC
This player has been found guilty of arbitrage betting at Playbetr in the past, at which time the account was paid and closed. He created a second account to arbitrage bet, at which time he was informed that he was in violation of terms. He chose a mediator. We went back and forth with the mediator for weeks, as did the player. The mediator made a decision. Guilty players exist. We have very few complaints, and the ones we do are always addressed immediately and resolved. Had the mediator decided we should pay the player, we would have. The player, who is well known throughout the industry as being abusive. We have no need to comment further on this matter, as it has already been resolved. The OP not being willing to accept the results of the mediator he chose is not our issue.
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Re: [0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING
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PlayBetr
on 13/03/2023, 01:03:29 UTC
As it is unlikely the player will return to update with the results of the mediation, we would like to do so at this time:
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/

This player has cost us 10s of thousands of dollars, both in the research done to confirm that he was 100% guilty of abuse, to the many hours spent working with the mediator, to the defamation he has posted about us on no less than 25 additional forums. Interestingly enough, this same player lost a nearly identical mediation at askgamblers around the same time period.
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000

We, and the other reputable casino/sportsbooks, take no joy in withholding an abusive player's funds. It nearly always costs us more to do so than it would have to pay the player and ban him. This is a rare necessity in order to keep the industry alive and thriving. Over 99% of players are legitimate and our primary focus is on providing them exceptional support, fast withdrawals and innovative promotions. All winners who are not intentionally breaking the rules, in attempt to harm the site, are paid without issue, in minutes. Thanks and best of luck to all!
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Re: [0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING
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PlayBetr
on 11/02/2023, 16:01:33 UTC
I am not the OP of this thread and the alleged cheater. cru7ufy is.

Our sincere apologies. That is not how we intended it to come across! We were clearly referring to the OP in this case.
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Re: [0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING
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PlayBetr
on 10/02/2023, 20:01:15 UTC
-snip-

Playbetr has never lost a mediation at ThePogg or anywhere else.
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints
Stop cheating and find a new job. We all know what you are doing and no one is going to succumb to your extortion attempts.
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 31/01/2023, 13:44:50 UTC
No they never paid, after my complaint there were dozens of others complaining but noone's case got solved

You never got paid because you lost multiple mediations.
We see you deleted your link to ThePogg
Don't worry, we found it for you
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-closed-account/
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 18/12/2022, 19:44:49 UTC
⭐ Merited by Mahdirakib (1)
I'm wondering why you are saying this while Russia wasn't included in the restricted countries list in 2019 (based on your reply). A forum member had also quoted the restricted countries list from your TOS and Russia wasn't on the list (see this post).

Excellent question. We can confirm that the region was blocked prior to that s post, however if the post is correct, the terms were clearly not updated at the time of that post. That said, they were updated WELL before the player returned in November 2022, as shown in this post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100533.msg55171287#msg55171287

Again, he would not have been able to place bets, had he not hidden his location, and this never would have been an issue.
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 16/12/2022, 15:04:16 UTC
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he snuck by our KYC team in 2019, it does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now. His account was not on our radar until recently, because he had a nearly 3 year gap without play until he returned on 23 Nov.

This player's most recent deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808

We do not refund previously lost deposits, which is standard procedure among all operators, and the recommended action of all mediators. The reason for this is if losses were returned, any player who lost could just come back and break a rule to get their losses back. Additionally, the player was up over 3 BTC from his play in 2019, so he should consider himself fortunate to have received anything back, as we had no obligation to do so.
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 16/12/2022, 15:02:40 UTC
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he snuck by our KYC team in 2019, it does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now. His account was not on our radar until recently, because he had a nearly 3 year gap without play until he returned on 23 Nov.

This player's most recent deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808

We do not refund previously lost deposits, which is standard procedure among all operators, and the recommended action of all mediators. The reason for this is if losses were returned, than any player who lost could just come back and break a rule to get their losses back. Additionally, the player was up over 3 BTC from his play in 2019, so really we did not even need to return this deposit, as all of his play was in violation of our terms of service.
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 16/12/2022, 14:59:25 UTC
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he passed KYC in 2019, it is because the KYC was with regard multi-accounting, not location. We do allow players with Russian passports to play, as long as they are not within the borders of Russia or any other restricted regions. Perhaps this should have set off a red flag with the security team member who reviewed the KYC at the time, but apparently it did not. However, him sneaking by us in 2019 does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now.

This player's most recent deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808

We do not refund previously lost deposits, which is standard procedure among all operators, and the recommended action of all mediators. The reason for this is if losses were returned, than any player who lost could just come back and break a rule to get their losses back. Additionally, the player was up over 3 BTC from his play in 2019, so really we did not even need to return this deposit, as all of his play was in violation of our terms of service.
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 16/12/2022, 14:51:57 UTC
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he passed KYC in 2019, it is because the KYC was with regard multi-accounting, not location. We do allow players with Russian passports to play, as long as they are not within the borders of Russia or any other restricted regions. Perhaps this should have set off a red flag with the security team member who reviewed the KYC at the time, but apparently it did not. However, him sneaking by us in 2019 does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now.

This player's deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808
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Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit.
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PlayBetr
on 16/12/2022, 14:35:34 UTC
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he passed KYC in 2019, it is because the KYC was with regard multi-accounting, not location. We do allow players with Russian passports to play, as long as they are not within the borders of Russia or any other restricted regions. Perhaps this should have set off a red flag with the security team member who reviewed the KYC at the time, but apparently it did not. However, him sneaking by us in 2019 does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now.

And before anyone says that maybe we let him play in 2019 because he was losing then and we didn't close the account until he started winning, it should be noted that he was always winning. He was always winning because he was using banned Russian forking scanners to find and place arbitrage bets. We did not have the technology to detect this then, but we do now, as does nearly every sportsbook. His account did not raise any additional suspicion until now, as he had a nearly 3 year gap without play until 23 Nov.

This player's deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 26/11/2022, 21:11:10 UTC
Normally, this is where the OP stops talking and the operatot lets the thread die, happy that people have directed their onto a new accusation. In this case, the need to improve the sports betting industry by exposing cheaters is too important. Let's recall that in our last comment, we provided multiple evidences that he had lied about us not responding to his complaints to various mediators, with us replying to all, each of who was not willing to take his case.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414949.msg61291781#msg61291781

His comment after, was this:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6130/61302162.html

One is a link to Casino.guru where he claims we did not respond, even though,  the link clearly shows that not only did we reply to them, we also showed them evidence of his previous claim with SBR.
The other is a link to a "complaint" at thepogg.com, as recommended by a troll on this post.
Here is the link he provided, as shown in the archive link
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-closed-account/
As you can see, that link goes to nothing, and it always has.
Troll, cicadasTR, has stated
The Pogg's complaints are private until they've concluded? Maybe you should rethink/know what you're talking about.
Maybe he should rethink what he is talking about, because as you can see here, there is no complaint.
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints
And as you can see here, OP has also removed his link to thepogg.com comment, meaning that either he lied about it or they took one look at his scammy accusation and rejected it without contact us.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414949.msg61302162#msg61302162
https://imgur.com/a/vzzKyzh

Casino operators are no longer staying quiet or giving into extortion by cheaters trying to destroy our reputation. You may let it go, but we will not. We are encouraging all DT1 and DT2 members to please help legitimate casinos and sportsbooks thrive and offer anonymity to players by giving negative trust ratings to those who are proved as scanners, like the OP here. The less cheaters we have, the more time we have to improve and the less KYC we have to request. We appreciate the great community that  has provided and we look forward to many years of a thriving crypto network, including Betcoin.ag and more to come! If anyone ever has any questions or concerns, we are available any time via DM, chat or support ticket. Thanks and best of luck to all!
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 14/11/2022, 17:13:30 UTC
Submitted complaint with Pogg before few days.
This is a lie
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints



I am 100% sure PlayBetr will not answer them nor provide any details and profs, same as they didnt answer SBR and CasinoGuru
This is a lie
Here is proof that we responded to Casino Guru the day we were contacted
https://casino.guru/playbetr-casino-the-player-s-account-got-closed

Here is proof that we responded to SBR, the day after he posted there
https://imgur.com/a/X4yIFyb

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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion
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PlayBetr
on 14/11/2022, 17:08:02 UTC
SBR representatives also contacted them on my behalf and on behalf on many other people and they simply refuse to answer there too.

on Casino Guru representatives they also didnt respond.

Here is proof that we responded to Casino Guru the day we were contacted
https://casino.guru/playbetr-casino-the-player-s-account-got-closed

Here is proof that we responded to SBR, the day after he posted there
https://imgur.com/a/X4yIFyb

3rd party mediation should be taken seriously and when you lie about it and jump from mediator to mediator hoping to get someone to rule in your favor, you are wasting the time of people whose purpose is to help people with legitimate issues. They can clearly spot an obvious cheat, with 0 credibility, so no one is going to give your case much attention. Stop embarrassing yourself and learn from this.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion
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PlayBetr
on 04/11/2022, 12:44:38 UTC
I have requested to just withdraw my deposited sum from playbetr rather than give them KYC details, I'll keep you updated on this thread on whether that is successful or not.

Paid this player his balance in full, without KYC 5 days ago. He immediately created an additional account and is refusing KYC on that one as well. He will not be receiving any funds on this one. Reporting this early, to get ahead of when he creates his new BitcoinTalk account to accuse us of being unfair.
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 03/11/2022, 13:54:21 UTC
Once again, we have already responded to a complaint from an industry leading mediator, chosen by the player, unrelated to the licensor. We provided details to the mediator and they chose not to pursue the case further. The player continues to intentionally leave out this information in any of his comments here, but we have shown the details of this privately to a trusted forum member here and he has confirmed this on the thread. We have completed our involvement here. This player is a proven abusive multi-accounter, who was fortunate enough to have received the full amount on his first account. We do not take this sort of thing lightly and would never seize funds without 100% confirmation of abuse. He can continue to make noise but we are done responding for good. We are looking forward to many exciting promos and updates for our many legitimate players to enjoy!
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 31/10/2022, 21:31:46 UTC
-Snip

You are a liar. This is not true and we showed @BitcoinGirl.Club the proof. We are done wasting any time on you or your extortion attempt.
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 31/10/2022, 21:08:45 UTC
-Snip

You are lying to everyone. You have filed for multiple mediations. We responded to the first with many paragraphs of detail. We have proven this to a trusted member of the forum, which he has confirmed above. The other which has contacted refused to take your case. These mediators don't take kindly to scammers wasting their time, when they are trying to provide a legitimate service. You tried. You lost. It's over.
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Re: PLAYBETR trying to SCAM/STEAL, not responding to emails
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PlayBetr
on 31/10/2022, 18:18:45 UTC
Who told you there are not fair mediators?

Aren't you free to choose a mediator of your choice?

Exactly. He chose his own mediator. We presented our case. The mediator chose not to pursue further. We have proven this to a trusted member of the forum, who confirmed this several posts ago.
Now, he is going around trying to find someone to decide in his favor. He doesn't get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping that one will eventually rule in your favor. No legitimate mediator will take a case which has already been decided on by someone else.