My idea:

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No because Merit is scarce but quality posts are not as scarce.

And some people Merit shit which I think is idiotic. You presume we all think with one unified mind. Whereas, the natural state of humanity is to dissolve into warring tribes, red versus blue politics, countries in the World Cup, etc..

Also reordering the chronology of posts will make the discussion incoherent.

Decentralized moderation is the only possible solution I can think of that has the correct incentives and sufficient degrees-of-freedom.

Yup.


There are many Legendary who are n00bs including yourself. You think so highly of yourself but everything is relative. You lack understanding compared to me in this domain. I may lack understanding compared to someone else who is a domain expert in a given field.

I argue that the problem is the lack of decentralized moderation.


Only for those who do not want to be successful.


Since when did you forget that posting in Meta is allowed for those who are banned?


What rules?

Please learn to read before spouting off (especially ad hominem) nonsense.


Blah. Blah. Blah. You will do nothing but fall in the woodchipper with the other condescending bunny rabbits who think they’re superior to the other slobs.

Did you forget? It was created to be the future world’s reserve currency controlled surreptitiously (with centralized anonymous mining) behind the curtain by the global elite who ostensibly created Bitcoin:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/bitcoin-rises-because-land-is-becoming-worthless

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-bitcoin-rises-because-land-is-becoming-worthless-20180519t120410615z

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.msg42147879#msg42147879

Also I’m not against anonymity, but until we have decentralized moderation as I explained it (click the link I provided in my prior post and read the entire thread), then Verified Identity is the only sane design I can imagine. Do you have a better idea for how to repair this clusterfucked bitcointalk.org insane asylum of anonymous trolls?

If someone is willing to link or quote this in the LN discussion thread, I suppose that would stimulate the discussion points over there. I guess my last contribution.


Also I mostly agree with this post there:


The caveat is that I had explained (but my posts were nuked) some of my reasons in the Limits of PoW thread and his PoCW thread, why my technological understanding is that the potential on-chain transaction volume scalability of proof-of-work (in any configuration such as even sharding) is limited and could not attain IoT scale. He seems to think otherwise, but until I see a research paper with convincing formalization, I believe he is incorrect in his belief.

In the nuked posts I had explained in detail for example elaborating on the analysis of OmniLedger which I had previously blogged about:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers

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Love that “trolling” (not ad hominem but still time wasting crap) when someone replies but totally ignores the economic point and builds a strawman argument to obfuscate the fact they actually didn’t make any relevant rebuttal.

I didn’t claim that decentralized exchanges will never be used. In fact OTC markets are used by the very wealthy, but they go no bid in times of stress because there’s no possible way to do secure shorting in a non-centralized exchange.

The salient point which he side-stepped entirely is that for payment systems, users have no choice but to be where the liquidity is.

There’s no amount of improvement to the usability of the software that can overcome the economics bottom-line which is that everyone who uses a payment system needs to be on the same system and there needs to be always enough liquidity.

Of course the other bunny rabbits will think he actually rebutted me and carry on blissfully to the woodchipper.

In addition to the suggested idea of requiring some Merit before ascending to non-Newbie status, I would also like to propose that this forum offer a Verified Identity badge for those who are willing to not be anonymous fucking trolls.

And then offer us a subforum for ourselves where only Verified Identity members can post and send merit!

I am so fucking tired of you anonymous trolls and that includes you @Foxpup.

If you’re not man enough to put your real life reputation at risk when you post your BS, then I am not interested to talk with[be trolled incessantly by] you.

I tried to keep it all in one thread: Why do some people believe that only the nodes miners run matter?

But one of your cohort Core shills @Carlton Banks decided to entirely derail another thread with off-topic trolling about it which forced me to also reply in that thread: BLS signatures (better than Schnorr)

You and your Core shills allege “nonsense” but aren’t able to refute any of my statements. Thus I am of the opinion that y’all are just trolling.

Frankly I am not interested in wasting my time arguing about SegWit with your boyz club tribe. It’s impossible to argue against an irrational religion. Please do keep your Bitcons in Core addresses that begin with a 3 instead of Satoshi real Bitcoin addresses that begin with a 1, so that you will lose all your real Satoshi protocol BTC. Then you will be gone and worth-less as it should be.

I had clearly explained that Lightning Networks will work fine with Satoshi’s protocol once it centralizes as it must because it is a natural monopoly:


Scale = better service (routing, etc) and higher liquidity

Decentralized exchanges have failed because everyone needs to be where the liquidity is. Much more so for payment systems. When someone can’t route their payment because of insufficient liquidity, both the merchant and the customer lose.

The LN Mt.Gox hubs can then leverage this need into entrenched oligarchies, which can dictate terms to users and merchants. Visa and Mastercard here we come again.

Nothing changes. We are right back where we started from.

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Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of mine in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account. Or if you want to just restore those two threads (and no others), that would be even better for me. Or even if you restored them long enough for me to archive them, and the deleted them again, that would also be better for me.

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Indeed we’ve already established that you hate details and pontificate layered on top of derogatory ad hominem about all sorts of shit that you know nothing about.


We’ve already established that you stay safely within the Wall Observer echo chamber for the most part.

You did not for example refute Gregory Maxwell about CoinJoin and many other such far reaching and more “precarious” endeavors.

Stick your neck out sufficiently before you insinuate that you’ve walked in my shoes.


I patiently tried to explain. You (and other Core shills) allege that I am an idiot, troll who spreads “nonsense FUD”. So I am not allowed to respond by stating that y’all are the idiot trolls?


You’re just one giant inkblot.

Your reading comprehension is so faulty, that you do not even seem to realize I’m not proposing that decentralized moderation idea for bitcointalk.org. It is one of the projects I would like to implement. I’m not demanding changes to bitcointalk.org, although if they want to make some changes I am not against them doing so.


I did archive nearly everything in June, but in July I was so busy posting and other work that I thought maybe the moderators were going to leave me alone so I stopped archiving. Then I made the fatal mistake of making my first post in the Altcoin Discussion forum, which presumably caught @mprep’s (or one of my haters in the Bitcoin Killer thread's) attention. Wham! Nuke! Because archiving is very tedious, sort of like regressing to the sneakernet where we used to carry floppy disks between computers to share data. Every edit of a post then must remember to re-archive.

It’s the antithesis of the automation of computing to manually archive. So sorry once again just a huge inkblot from you.

Do you not understand that time is money. I’m probably worth $150+ an hour as a programmer (now that I’m no longer so ill). Do you know how many hours it takes to reconstruct posts and then where to post them? Reformat from BBcode to Markdown and post at STEEM?

I’m amazed how much time you guys waste in the Wall Observer thread posting nonsense:


Even if you’re already wealthy, don’t you have any intellectual or creative pursuits outside of slapstick humor with the boyz. The Wall Observer thread is like boyz who never matured. They’re still into playing pranks with the other boyz. It’s funny for about a day or two. But my lord, you guys have been doing that for how many years?


I did. Even within your Wall Observer echo chamber thread there are several people who appreciate my posts. You ostensibly think the minority doesn’t matter. But remember the minority holds all the wealth, knowledge, and other resources.


Lol. It’s okay snowflake. It’s above your paygrade to understand what cage you are inside.


You feel superior to those slobs who didn’t already buy Bitcoin don’t you? Feeling confident?


And then it is going to be so funny and perfectly fit when you lose all your Bitcoins because you were too proud and lazy to understand what I was explaining, then you are right back in the cage with the slobs you were looking down on. I was trying to share my expertise to those who wanted it. I wasn’t forcing it down the throat of sheep.

But that is the way it is. Not much anybody can do to change it.

You Core shills with your “social consensus” and “non-mining nodes matter” delusions remind me of what a friend of mine recently wrote:

Be grateful for what? Are you accepting that you are a freakin’ slave? Would you just accept abuse as normal? (I find your statement to be so unpalatable to the point of utter disgust that you would think that way)

Is this a cultural difference between us?

Please clarify your point?

I will never be grateful for strife ridden places. They are anti-productive. To be avoided by those who want to successful. Mark Cuban says the secret to becoming a $billionaire is surround yourself with people who remove stress.

I am not going to endure trolling. Too old for that. Life is too short. Waste of life.


I am not the inventor of game theory nor did I ever claim to be. What are you saying?

No I am not proposing that I want to be lazy and have others filter for me. I am proposing that I would be allowed to filter for them when they will trust my judgments because they chose me as a moderator. I was not forced on them. And ditto I might also choose to trust them when they hit the Ignore button, but I would prefer both an ignore post and ignore user (so we can give the trolls a few chances before we banish them entirely from our grouping).

I am not being lazy when I trust[am forced to accept] the self-moderated thread owner to filter for me. I am just proposing that each of us be allowed to choose who we want to be our moderators separately from each of the choices of others as to whom they trust to be their moderators. So then nothing is ever truly deleted from the database.

So for example I am reading a thread and I see some trolling so I press "delete", then everybody who trusts me as a moderator will also not see that post if they later read after I did. And ditto vice versa if I also trust them. It is a groupwise effort. If someone who trusts me as moderator decides to view what I deleted, they have the option to do so.

Please man, you are not making any sense.


Please read my prior message. What rules?

Unfortunately I grow very weary of people like you who can’t even (take the time to) comprehend what I already wrote in this thread. Did you not read what I wrote in my prior post?

As I implied, I would like to shrink the circle of people I interact with to those who do not waste my time like this forcing me to recapitulate so much.

I would propose to have two levels for decentralized moderation: strict and lenient

In strict mode I would have deleted your post as trolling because you did not put enough effort in expressing yourself coherently and reading the thread entirely before you posted. So those following me in strict mode would not see your post. And I probably would have not replied to it. Those following me in lenient mode would see your post but it will be flagged as deleted by me in strict mode. For the worst trolling I would also delete it in lenient mode.

I am an idea machine. I create new s/w feature ideas at a rate of several per day. If ever get back to coding the way I did before I was ill, watch out! (@stereotype would accuse me being narcissistic)







I truly believe that with the decentralized moderation, there would be much less insanity and people would become incentivized and motivated to produce quality constructive discussion instead of this insanity of strife, trolling, and destructive mayhem that is bitcointalk.org.

Do you have native ancestry and culture? Were you as ill as I was? You can not accurately judge what tortures another person in the situation they were in. My inability to kill[confront] him was torture for me (or let’s say the inability to get justice).

We simply do not allow people to live when they talk to us that way in this culture. When someone makes that sort of statement here, then it is every member of the families’ responsibility to take revenge on that person and we are in torture until we can restore honor to our tribe.

Also you do not understand that mental state I was in because you can not until you have suffered the health that I described in my blog. If you have not read that section of my blog, then you do not know what I am talking about.

And if you are pure (northern, manoralism culture) European ancestry then you will not understand anyway because you defeated tribalism in order to prosper in the Agricultural and Industrial revolutions. (Even I have European ancestry, I am also locked inside of a Cherokee body to a great extent as Nietzsche correctly surmised)

I don’t think some of these pussies around here understand that they simply do not talk that way to real men on the street. Just like you wouldn’t say anything like that to the 6'5" defensive lineman from Arizona State University football team who I got into a fight with when I was 19 years old. And I do not have any exception just because this is the Internet. I would not react any differently whether you are online or in front of my face. If someone talks that way to me, it is war. They get away with it because there are no repercussions primarily because of the anonymity.

If you need a visual explanation, note that Nate Robinson has filipino ancestry. Watch him in this video becoming pissed off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G28HcqIlTuM
https://youtu.be/I9UHAh72QhU?t=268

I explained in my first post in this thread that @stereotype was talking shit about my kids. Here is what Lebron James has to say about that:

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There no possible rule other than to stop allowing anonymity. So then we can prosecute under the law for laws in place against abuse over the Internet. I am confident there are such laws in the UK where apparently @stereotype is located. And if I ever determine who he is, then I will make sure either the law does what it is supposed to do, or I must fulfill the honor to my culture in any way that I can.

EDIT: I just posted negative trust on @stereotype’s profile for violating the Protection from Harassment Act 1997: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking#Europe

But I also recognize that honor killing is primitive. And that is why I would prefer that my grouping of like-minded friends can discuss in a decentralized moderation wherein we can filter out such inflammatory trolls (by choosing our common moderator), so that we might try to avoid those primitive outcomes, if at all possible. Even I mostly reject tribalism, but in terms of honor I do not, because it is also heavy ingrained into me from being raised in the Old South.

That is why I am proposing decentralized moderation as a possible alternative. Because I really can’t think of another good way of handling the problem that makes this forum such an insane asylum.

Does anyone have a better idea?


I was apparently temp-banned not for consecutive posting but for copy+paste posting in multiple threads (or at least it seems like I had some reason to think that but I can not remember if someone wrote that or why I think that). But afair, I was never told why I was temp-banned so therefor I refused to follow it because it seemed to be some form of politicized corruption. The timing of the ban was very suspect and I think some of the people in the Monero community got me banned the first time because they did not like what I was writing. They were pissed off that I had claimed to have invented Zero Knowledge Transactions (in the summer of 2015 when I dropped down to 50 kg!) before they published RingCT. I remember that now after viewing the very few posts of the @HONCO account.

I would follow rules if they are clearly explained and make sense. But I will never follow corruption.

However, if @theymos creates a sane thing, I will act sane. If he creates an insane thing, then do not expect me to act insane just for him.


And no @theymos you can never ban me. I can come back anytime I want primarily because you want to allow anonymity.   (that does not mean I will, or that I want to, just to remind you of the limitations of your authority)

I am not proposing to eliminate anonymity. That is not a complete solution to the problems of discord, although it would probably help. That is why I instead am contemplating decentralized moderation as a possible improvement.

@theymos would be advised to be more mutually respectful and stop acting like a totalitarian asshole, if he wants my mutual respect. Now it may be that he just really isn’t aware of what is going on. I am not privy the necessary information to know what goes on behind the scenes at his business.

Again I am more than willing to cooperate with a sane system.

If you create a system that provides no way for sanity to prevail over insanity then is that my fault as the user of the system?

I have created million user software and I did not blame my users for features being difficult to use. I improved the features!

If @theymos would consider that there is no way that sane people want to continue using a forum with so many anonymous trolls!

And we also do not want to use a system where one group can get another member banned from the entire forum just because they do not like what he is posting. They make up some BS story to sell to the mods about that user doing some “multi-posting” or what ever.

That is why we need decentralized moderation with all the data stored on a blockchain so that nobody can censor anything. But each of us can choose to filter out what we do not want to see. And do it groupwise, not just an individual Ignore feature. The moderated thread is somewhat close to what we want but I already explained up-thread why it is not sufficient.



Also I am not going to continue posting to a centralized database. I want all of my work to be open source. So that no corrupt party has control over the data.

It is ridiculous that anybody has to power to delete the data created by others! Hell no! Fuck no! That must stop!




Let me make it very clear that I am not demanding any changes to bitcointalk.org. I just came here to explain my side of the story. And to explain what sort of forum system I would like to experiment with someday if possible.

Nor was I demanding to be reinstated.

I just think it is quite indicative of the insanity of this clusterfuck that @theymos is trolling me, lol. If he stops trolling me, then I will stop being a defiant rebel to him. He should admit his forum sucks in the area of civility (it does not suck in every way, some aspects are good). But the incivility and arbitrary politicized banning crap makes it so stressful and painful that most important people just don’t. They leave or rarely visit.

Don’t tell me to have a thick skin. Nobody needs that level of stress and abuse in their life. I realize that some guys on this forum are mental cyber-warfare assassins. They live and breath the warfare of this insanity. But some of us prefer to have peaceful and productive lives actually doing some vocation other than forum warfare. We do not have time and energy for all this crap.



Btw, the following is by far one of the least abusive posts that @stereotype made against me:


But it still exemplifies that he (who abusively claims to know psychology) feigns that he had no awareness that I was using the forum as a way of surviving my illness (actually he knows damn well that he was trying to break me psychologically because he could see I was so weakened by my illness):





And I told him and everyone many times that the doctors in the Philippines did not diagnose Tuberculosis. I went to the doctors and they never suspected nor suggested testing for it. And I did not know that latent TB is endemic here. I did not have enough money to travel until January 2017 (when someone I met on this forum loaned me some money to go get medical care in Singapore). I had exhausted all of my funds because I had not been able to work since 2012 because of the illness. Also because after I was hospitalized for the perforated ulcer in 2012, I lost $70,000 on some scammer then I had to continue making $1500 a month payments to the USA for my ex and kids. My 18000 oz of silver had been stored in a vault in Manila but they defrauded me out of about half of it, and only returned that half to me when silver had dropped to low $20s (even I had publicly predicted the year before in 2010 it would rise to $45). So by 2015 I had depleted all my funds. I already showed my medical records. The doctors only thought I had NAFLD (non alcoholic) fatty liver disease. So then when I dropped from 85 to 50 kg in July/August 2015, I was both extremely ill and also lacking funds. And also I thought there was nothing any doctors could do to help me because I already went to the doctors. Also I didn’t have any health insurance in the USA and none of my family was willing to help me. So I was dying and no one cared. But luckily someone did help me and I got diagnosed in January 2017 in Singapore (they suggested checking for gut TB which I had never heard of and certainly @CoinCube who is a doctor never suggested TB to me over the years he knew of my symptoms since 2013!). Then I had to take these very liver toxic antibiotics for 6 months which further fucked up my liver. I was so far gone by that point that my body did not recover well from the TB. It is only by now some 1 year later, that I am starting to get some stability back to my health.

Actually I still do not think Tuberculosis was the only infection I had. I know my ex in the USA infected me with HPV in 2006 and that had started the decline in my health. And also in 2012 the doctors found antibodies in my blood indicating that I had been infected with dengue fever in the past (maybe more than once) and I never knew it. That exemplifies how strong I was it. It required multiple infections to finally bring me down. Multiple dengue infections oftens causes lifetime auto-immunity and bad health.

So @stereotype is simply incorrect about almost everything about me.


He was actually very reasonable and mostly correct on this point. By far much less worse than the other highly abusive posts of his that I linked from my first post in this thread where I quoted my blog.


Lol. There was no one in that thread who was capable of helping me. That is his huge inkblot ego.


His inkblot ego thinks the way I interact with trolls like him is the way I interact with my peers such as engineers who are capable like @keean.


There he goes again flying off into the troll asylum like a psycho loon, but at least he did not mention my kids again.

If I could make a friendly suggestion to read this page of this thread. Appears we are not bickering. You might be surprised by what you read above your post here.


The rules haven’t protected me from torture and massive abuse on this forum. Thus I do not think the rules are working very well.

I am all for rules that accomplish some benefit. I am not for rules that accomplish nothing.

Disallowing consecutive posting is an acceptable rule. Prevents us from bumping the thread more than once without waiting for someone else to post. Does not prevent us from adding to our existing post.

Some of the other allegations @theymos makes against me seem entirely arbitrary (c.f. below) and there is no such hard rule which is not subjectively ambiguous.


I did not knowingly ignore any rule. I just refused to agree to @theymos’ subjective summary of what I did wrong because there was no well defined, well publicized rules that I broke.


I was perma-banned for that?

Of course I have no problem with not doing that and have not been doing that since I realized that was a rule.

But the other crap @theymos lists is purely subjective nonsense.

But I am not wanting to come back anyway. I think the forum is clusterfucked with trolling as it currently is. As explained in the up-thread discussion. It is not a long thread. Maybe take a read if you have time.





The amount of personalized (ad hominem) trolling on this forum is juvenile and looks like an insane asylum to outsiders. I am sick of it. Who needs this crap in their life? We waste so much effort on these bitcointalk.org forums defending ourselves against reputation trolling:

I can’t exactly remember. Seems like the first time I got perma-banned might have been 2016 when I was posting rather aggressively with my negative opinion of Ethereum mainly w.r.t. to the scaling plans (which I have been vindicated on by now). But I may be mistaken. I am 100% certain the @Anonymint account was never banned. @theymos closed it for me at my request (and again I wish I would have instead realized to scramble the password so as to not have bothered him with that request).

I remember one of the reasons I wanted to quit was because I was disappointed also in myself that some scammer @BitcoinEXpress had tried to use me to pretend he could attack Monero. So I surmised I was too ill and not thinking clearly enough. Sort of like my technological mind can continue to run on autopilot even though my awareness of other things was like a zombie.

I know I was not in a good state of mind or health. I was very depressed about my health but trying to remain productive and sustain some hope. I am more upbeat now that my health is not so intractable.

EDIT: after eating brunch, I now have a moment to try to remember. Looking back at some of my multiple accounts history, I remember I voluntarily tried to quit multiple times because I was discouraged by all the trolling and arguments I was becoming mired in. I quit the @AnonyMint account. Then created but quit @TheFascistMind. So neither of those two accounts were banned. I’m almost certain that the first account of mine that was banned was @TPTB_need_war. I think that is correct, because I vaguely remember that I also created the account @HONCHO at that time.



Well many of us find discussion valuable enough to invest our time in it, yet we also dislike the strife. So surely we are willing to spend a little bit of money or effort to have less trolling and more high quality discussion.

The real issue is whether decentralized moderation would actually work and lower the level of stress that people endure in discussions.

I know there are at least a dozen or more members here on this site who I can have very civil discussions with. If I had them in my moderator set, such that any post they flag as trolling is not seen by me, I think my life would be much less stressful.

For example I would trust @miscreanity as a moderator to flag posts that I probably should not read. He would know what would cause me to get angry and waste time.

Before I got ill, I would basically spend my life coding, talking a little bit with others about coding and engineering issues, doing sports, and then social life off the computer. I basically need discussions to network with those who have knowledge I need to discuss and to form groups for projects. Given that is a very significant component of the economics of what I do with my career, I think it has value and should not be entrusted to a moderation policy and system that devolves into so much time wasted on strife.

As for the general population, you may be correct although I think we can probably find some features from decentralization that would entice them. The masses also like new things. Even a small market these days is still a 100 million users.




EDIT#2: I am now reading what you quoted about moderation policy which says trolling and repeated false accusations are not allowed, but then you said insults are allowed. This is a clusterfucked policy. Clearly @stereotype was making false accusations about myself endangering my children several times in more than one thread. So clearly that was repeated false accusations and not merely insults. In fact, I think I even told him that my kids were in the USA, not with me. So he damn well knew they could not be getting Tuberculosis from me or other filipinos. But damn-it their mother is a filipina and they also come back to the Philippines as adults (not children anymore) without my permission, so it is not like we can stop filipinos from exposing themselves to Tuberculosis even though it is endemic here. How many times I warned my adult (19 at that time) son not to kiss girls from the poverty area where his mother originates from but he refused and preferred to live in that squatter area than live in my house in the gated subdivision (or maybe he didn’t want to live with my gf who is not his mother?). So it is absolutely insane torture what @stereotype was writing. Even now when I think back on it, I still feel it is torture. There is no way I can participate in a forum that subjects me to that torture and not end up freaking out. He knows if he stepped one foot in the Philippines and made a comment like that to anyone here (not just me), he would not be alive very much longer. They would slice him up with a bolo knife and make kinilaw a la Brit. Seriously. I just asked the filipinas here in my household what would happen to @stereotype if he made that sort of statement to their parents or any parents in this country, and they did not hesitate and responded immediately that he will die immediately.

But the more salient point is that there is no policy you can make which is not going to be subjective. That is why instead of a moderation policy, I prefer that we can each choose our own moderators, so that we can just squelch from our display those things which we do not like. Because there is no such thing as a fair moderation policy. Because the subjectivity is too ambiguous. Can’t exist. Waste of time to attempt one.

Disagree. There is red text in some of my replies in the vicinity of @stereotype’s post which (afair) state you “removed veiled threat of bodily harm”. Go to the links in my first post in this thread to find those.

So I presume you were also reading his posts also, else how could you have read mine.

And frankly how do you expect me react when someone attacks my children and my parenting. Also given I was using this forum as a means of keeping myself from getting entirely depressed about my horrible situation, that is absolute torture what @stereotype was doing to me and he knew it also. He was trying to break me. Okay so you were adhering to the moderation policy (which I never bothered to read, analogous to I never read the fine print of software licences).

And so now you see the result of bitcointalk.org’s moderation policy: an insane asylum

Everyone is leaving because of the insanity of trolls. And my incivility is because others do not debate me, they troll me. Never will you see them make actual technological debate with me ever since @smooth left the building (few exceptions being for example the few remaining engineers such as @aklan, @shunsaitakahashi, @monsterer2, @Ix, and several others who are still in the Development & Technical Discussion subforum). They few times they try, they are quickly refuted by me. For example, @Carlton Banks recently tried and was refuted (go read the technological argument I made if you do not believe me). Then when the for example Core shills have nothing of substance to debate me with, they resorted to pure trolling my reputation as you see @DooMAD continuing up-thread here.

That is why the engineers leave. And before we had @gmaxwel and his band of Core devs ridiculing anyone who tried to post in Development & Technical Discussion subforum. That is why I rarely posted there before although that is probably where I should have been posting instead of Altcoin Discussion. Since Gregory is apparently gone, that subforum appears to be much more civil (at least during the 1 month I was posting there).

It is possible I misjudged you @mprep. But then again, you misjudged me too. I was just fighting back in the insane asylum that the moderation policy creates.


As I said, I do not know what to do about the trolling other than we need the ability to form groupings of people we can get along with when discussing. So that is why I want the degrees-of-freedom to choose my grouping, i.e. to chose my moderator and be grouped with those who also choose that moderator. Because I personally would rather just not read any trolling from the Core shills. If they have some cogent arguments, I would like to read them. They are entitled to their beliefs. I do not want to waste time battling them. The future outcome will reward those who were correct and take talents from those who were not correct. I just want to be able have reasonably civil technology discussions.

I am a feisty rebel. And athletic, high testosterone (when I am not sick or actually even when I was in delirium I could still push myself sometimes but I would crash hard for days). But even for me, one thing that happens as we age, it just isn’t worth expending all my energy on all the drama.

Fact is you allowed @stereotype make insane accusations about my minor children and other insane accusations, while you deleted words from my posts that were responding to his posts.

So clearly you were aware of the insane incivility and clearly you allowed it to escalate. Then you blame me when I fight back because you didn’t do your job well as a moderator.

How is that a fallacy? It is a fact.

(and it will do you no good to attempt to hide your tracks now, as I have archived everything already)

Again you seem to not understand my point. This is not a criminal court. This is a market and if the market loses confidence in you, then you lose.

And you already know you are losing because all of the engineers and wealthy have left bitcointalk.org.

Because you allow insanity to reign.


If that is the only form of moderation you are going to do, then you will have a clusterfuck of insane incivility. So why are you pissed off at me for being uncivil when you foster such an environment? i was just responding to the venom that you failed to moderate.

Now you are contradicting yourself. You claim that I am banned for being disruptive and now you state that you do not moderate anything but threats of bodily harm. So which is it? You can not have it both ways.

This is why I am planning to create a decentralized moderation forum, because it is very difficult to have both freedom and civility. The only way I can see to achieve it is with decentralized moderation. Yet you ridiculed my idea.


I am not a liar. Ask @theymos. Hopefully he remembers.


I can hardly remember what happened in 2015, 2016, and 2017. I was so delirious fighting that illness. I really do not know what happened.

I was fighting for my life. I was in a fight-or-flight cortisol mode trying to stay alive.





I really do not want to come back and fight all the trolling. If the moderation policy is somehow improved, maybe I might want to come back.

I can code now, so I really do not need to be here. I have something else I can do, now that I am not so sick as I was. But I wish there was a place to have “no trolling allowed” discussion about crypto.

I wish you would create a new subforum that has a very strict policy of moderation. No sarcasm allowed!

Actually I still think the decentralized moderation is the only way to make it work so each of us can choose our own moderators. The moderated thread idea sort of works but the problem is for example I did not start the Bitcoin Killer thread which is about me. Also people do not like to participate in moderated threads because it gives too much power to one person. I would prefer that each of us be able to select a moderator of our individual choosing for each thread.

P.S. I have just now linked from my blog to this the 2nd page of this thread. I am for 100% transparency.

Incorrect. This is not criminal case. The burden of proof is on you to convince we the users that your anonymous Staff is not corrupt when in fact you allowed @stereotype to attack my children (one of which was still a minor at the time) and all sorts of other insane accusations and only deleted words from my posts.

The circumstantial evidence is compelling in my opinion and I think also will be compelling in the opinion of others who matter (who bother to actually go click the links and read the evidence).


Is insane attacks on my children an allowable form of sarcasm on this forum? You failed to moderate it even though there is evidence that you were reading it.

You allowed the incivility to escalate to extremes. I was never attacking anyone’s children and other forms of insanely abusive forms of warfare that you allow to transpire on this forum. @miscreanity is correct that there is no sane moderation on this forum.


Nobody banned the @Anonymint account (it may have been banned later if someone was able to get access to it, I remember some of my past accounts later got hacked). I requested @theymos to permanently disable it. He graciously granted my request. I should have just scrambled the password so I didn’t have to bother him. I realized that later.

I was becoming more and more ill during 2014/15 and the strife between @Anonymint and Monero shills was rising, so I decided I should try to quit the forum. But I wasn’t able to quit because I became sort of dependent on it as the only thing I was capable of doing when I was so ill. I couldn’t sleep and I couldn’t stay awake, so all I could do was type like a zombie (not capable of coding).

How do you prove that? I provided a link where he claims to have gone to lunch with a member of the Staff. And then we have you deleting some of my words in my posts (as evident by your red colored moderator notices in my posts) and so we know you were reading his attacks where is was attacking my children and sorts of insane accusations and you did no moderation whatsoever to attempt to maintain the civility of the discussion. You allowed him to do that. You could plausibly even be @stereotype!

And your replies above look very similar to @stereotype’s style of venom such as quoted below:


And quoted as follows you are clearly lying because you did not notice @anunymint for a month and then within hours of my post in the Bitcoin Killer thread in Altcoin Discussion, you nuked everything:


You perhaps have hoodwinked @theymos. I am beginning to wonder if maybe @theymos is the one being fooled by you.

I have contemplated that maybe @theymos is fooled by Core and all those who have infiltrated his organization.

A huge corruption. Which must be stopped.

There are many, many wealthy people who are not going to let you get away with this.

I think it is probably time for million BTC hodler Mircea Popescu and I to speak.

I will await @theymos’ reply.


You are lying. You ranted over several posts about how unworthy I am.

I am not for big blocks. Have you entirely failed to read the 300 posts of @anunymint which your apparently corrupt mod @mprep nuked? Ah I realize you probably made that presumption because in my prior post I questioned whether bitcointalk.org is the canonical or official website for Bitcoin (so you must have thought I am shilling for bitcointalk.com, lol)

Also I think you should re-read my prior post and pay attention to the size 24 font text I inserted, which seems to imply corruption between your mod @mprep and user @stereotype who was so abusively critical of me. Click some of those links and read what was being said to me. Now in hindsight when I am not so ill, I can see they were colluding and @stereotype basically admitted it.

The bottom line is I was critical of and analyzing many flaws in the various shitcoins and so presumably the shitcoins people got together with your Altcoin Discussion mod and decided to formulate a plan to shut me off.


Why should I agree to abide by corruption? Please give me a good[sane] reason?

As if I was not following the rules ever since you told me that “multi-posting” was my crime.  

No I am not for sale to the highest corrupt bidder. I have my own ethics. If you want me to agree to be corrupt, sorry I can not follow you. I hope you understand. I will not join some kiss-ass, brown-nosing boyz club.

If there is some objectivized thing you would like to adhere to, I probably will as long as it is not subject to corruption and corrupt subjectivity. I mean I was already following the rules. But the rules were never the issue of why I was hated. I was hated because I stuck my neck out and criticized the shitcoins with solid analysis in the Altcoin Discussion forum which no one else was doing. I refused to regurgitate what I was (by implication) told to speak and not speak.

Forums naturally form discord. We all know that.

Anyway, I think frankly I am not that interested to return. All the smart engineers are gone from bitcointalk.org. There’s no interesting technological discussion any more. Only when I join the threads does anything accurate get spoken these days. For example the current LN thread discussion is incorrect or incomplete ever since @anunymint was nuked from the thread. They do not understand the concept of a natural monopoly and that the liquidity scale is the barrier-to-entry in LN because users always need to be where the liquidity is as exemplified by exchanges, especially in payment systems because merchants and users don’t want to be stuck and not be able to checkout the shopping cart.

The only reason I came back last month was because the Proof-of-Approval thread. I was interested in that design and @Traxo made a few posts for me there, but then it became unmanageable to discuss via @Traxo helping me out. So I created my own account to discuss in that thread. I made one post in a thread about “non-mining nodes don’t matter”, then the all the Core shills came in there to crucify me.

@theymos, you are entirely incorrect in your understanding of Core. Seriously man, you need to read my posts. Or you need to get on Skype with me and discuss. But anyway, I presume you’re not interested in the truth.

And frankly I am also tired of wasting time over here. But if you express a non-disingenuous interest, I will invest the effort to speak with you.

Fuck man, one of the threads (the 2nd page of the Wall Observer: Errors & Corrections) that @mprep nuked, I had sent in an email to the President of the Philippines and senator Manny Pacquiao, along with upper level Dept. of Finance officials. I’m hoping to go visit Manny who lives 2 hours from me to congratulate him on his victory yesterday where he regained a title belt at age 39. He and I are both athletes. I’ve been his fan since he was only a local fighter here in Mindanao when I was age 33 before I was blinded in my right eye (I’ve been living here in Mindanao since 1994).

For over a month I was posting as @anunymint with no major problems (other than the usual disbelief by n00bs such as yourself @theymos about the realities of technologies they don’t understand) and then I made my first post in the Altcoin Discussion and instantly @mprep was alerted and he nuked everything in a scorched earth policy.

@theymos I read that apparently you have a degree in computer science. So you’re not entirely a n00b but I also observed your analysis of altcoins, that you really do not have a deep understanding about this technology. Presumably because you are busy doing other activities. They are many nuances and besides a very deep comprehension requires more than just computer science. It also requires game theory, economics, sociology, and human psychology.

If I am so unworthy, then why did Matthew Laine with 180 IQ follow me on Quora? Why did another Omar Bessa from Quora with a 170 IQ also converse with me in email? And also Thomas West who claims to be 3 sigma was conversing with me there on Quora.




Censorship is so failure directed. I had answered a question on StackExchange about what to invest in with a $30K inheritance as of March 2017. I explained why they should invest some in Bitcoin. The answered was deleted by the mods!



What rules? You wrote “multi-posting”. I stopped consecutive posting after someone told me that is not allowed. But seems you were also accusing me of copy+pasting my points in multiple threads. But I was not the creator of those duplicate threads. If you moderators allow users to create duplicate threads on the same topic, then why can’t I reply to all of them?

Your rules seems highly ambiguous, subjective, and arbitrary. Thus potentially subject to abuse and corruption.


What rule was I violating that “keep the forum usable and fair”  

The reason I was pissed at you and your moderators is because your rules were not “keeping the forum usable and fair”!!!

How can you expect me to agree to something which is ill-defined. I would be a dishonest person if I agreed to that which is ill-defined and does not accomplish any goal that makes any sense.

I understand that I, Shelby Moore III (aka Anonymint), even while perma-banned am allowed to create a new user account strictly for posting to the Meta subforum on this anonymously managed and anonymously owned forum bitcointalk.org website which some people mistakenly think is the canonical or official website for discussions related to Bitcoin or the cryptotokens (aka blockchain) ecosystem in general.


There are two sides to every story. I explained my side of the story at the following blog:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

Please note the section I added to that blog just now (if you had read it before):

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How many BTC would you like to bet (and lose!) on that?

@Traxo communicates with me regularly on Crypto.cat. I appreciate very much his support and assistance. He is a very kind and understanding person.

He oftens checks in every day with me but sometimes I am too busy to talk to him. Today he didn’t come online probably because it is Sunday and presumably because the past 2 days were exhausting for him. Even I am age 53 and still slightly ill (but significantly improved health) and he AFAIR age 20-something, he can’t keep up with me, lol. (actually he can, we just have only partially overlapping waking hours)

@Traxo is AFAIK in Croatia. I believe he’s in Croatia because he has explained to me about the life there. Whereas, I am in the Philippines. AFAIK, neither of us post from VPNs. I always post from my same PLDT Internet Service Provider unless I am traveling. I have read that @Traxo says he always posts from his Croatian ISP and not a VPN. I do use a VPN when I sign-up new accounts, because this site has banned PLDT presumably because of me (lol), which means no filipinos can sign-up for this forum using the most popular ISP in the country unless they pay a BTC fee after signing up. I avoid that fee by using a VPN to sign-up. After signing up, I switch back to using my PLDT account. Note that although the BTC is minuscule, the transaction fee for sending BTC from wallet (not an exchange) is still unreasonably high for many filipinos to pay.

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Most of the truly wealthy such as yourself have left.

I hope you’re enjoying life on the ocean.

I am still slaving away on the computer, trying to get healthy and reach a goal.

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You keep repeating that nonsense even through I carefully explained to you why it is no so and only mining nodes matter.