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Re: Sportsbet.io scammed me $8080
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dancpats
on 19/02/2021, 16:37:45 UTC
i suggest you file a complaint at askgamblers.com  and force them to respond publicly and display evidence of their claims
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Re: Bitcasino.io blocked account with 1.6 btc.
by
dancpats
on 18/02/2021, 20:24:14 UTC
try this is well

https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/bitcasino-io-review/


they respond there,  and the public pressure seems to work
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 21:33:55 UTC
Scam would imply intent to harm,  I do not believe there was intent,  just mismanagement, poor judgement,  and up til now an unwillingness to correct it.


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Re: Stake.com - Casino & Sportsbook - Play Smarter 🚀 🎰 🏀 ⚾ 🏈 🎾 🥊 🎲
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 21:23:57 UTC
I am not sure why my thread got sent to the scam forum, i dont agree with that move at all.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317697.0
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 21:22:53 UTC
I do not believe this thread should have been moved to scam accusations.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 19:21:55 UTC
The thing is that he did not ask for self exclusion. He did not follow self exclusion policy. If he did he would be permanently banned and would never had a chance to be unbanned.

What he did with his vip host asking for casino ban then asking to remove it etc was all unofficial and without any policy being followed. It was just good will on his vip host to help him out and fulfill his request for casino exclusion.

Also user had multiple accounts so even if he excluded 1 of his accounts by the policy he would continue to gamble on his other accounts or create new ones.

We are very responsible when it comes to gambling and being aware of the dangers of it. But unfortunately the simple fact is that casinos can only do so much to help you. If you want to continue gambling there is nothing any casino can do to rly stop you.

There are tons of crypto, fiat and real casinos where you can continue gambling even if one casino could find a way to stop you for good.

So please be responsible and if you notice you have problem with gambling seek for professional who will help you fight your addiction.



https://prnt.sc/znicwi

https://prnt.sc/znig7r

https://prnt.sc/znino6


Thanks for your input,  but as you can see above i followed the correct protocol in place at the time.

You can keep playing games with words and meanings,  but the intent is clear.



No you did not. Self exclusion is not same as casino exclusion. We do not have policy for casino exclusion that was only option for our sportsbook players that wanted to clear the clutter with casino and games and only be able to play on sportsbook because that is what they came for on stake.

You clearly stated you do not want your account banned.



Stake has stated they were aware of my gambling issues,  encouraged me not to gamble,   but did nothing   because "I wouldnt have liked it"

I request permanent self casino exclusions after Stake is aware of my issues

Stake removes it with one casual TG message

Admits poor judgement

Keeps all funds.



Have I got your position correct ? 



And why does every Stake admin in this thread keep ignoring this?

https://prnt.sc/znino6


Clearly says players can request a casino exclusion and it will be honored and not removed if protocol is followed,  which at the time was to request via live chat.   




As you can see when that message was posted. It was after this case. We are improving our exclusion policy and because of this case we are making it so if user requires casino exclusion and follows the protocol how to request it won't be possible to remove it. 

Also the screenshot you posted with support agent Andrija, you did not make from your account that you are arguing about here.

On this account you requested it from your vip host and then also requested from your vip host to be removed.

And also you had one more request 6 months ago where after cool off period of 24h you said to "Leave casino unblocked"


We have said everything here.  I wont be continuing in this topic.

If you wanted to stop gambling you would need to follow simple procedure to get your account permanently banned as per our policy.

I am sorry that unfortunately even that wouldn't be enough to stop you from gambling or our casino or any other casino.

As stunna mentioned we will keep improving our policies and we will always try to help our users with gambling problems to find solutions and stop gambling.




I really hope its not intentional but this is yet another false statement by a Stake admin.


I would appreciate you checking again,  and correcting this misinformation  or are you guys intentionally trying to mislead the community ?


That screen shot is 100% from the account i requested the permanent self exclusion on, which was granted,  and then later removed by the owner.


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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 17:57:05 UTC
The thing is that he did not ask for self exclusion. He did not follow self exclusion policy. If he did he would be permanently banned and would never had a chance to be unbanned.

What he did with his vip host asking for casino ban then asking to remove it etc was all unofficial and without any policy being followed. It was just good will on his vip host to help him out and fulfill his request for casino exclusion.

Also user had multiple accounts so even if he excluded 1 of his accounts by the policy he would continue to gamble on his other accounts or create new ones.

We are very responsible when it comes to gambling and being aware of the dangers of it. But unfortunately the simple fact is that casinos can only do so much to help you. If you want to continue gambling there is nothing any casino can do to rly stop you.

There are tons of crypto, fiat and real casinos where you can continue gambling even if one casino could find a way to stop you for good.

So please be responsible and if you notice you have problem with gambling seek for professional who will help you fight your addiction.



https://prnt.sc/znicwi

https://prnt.sc/znig7r

https://prnt.sc/znino6


Thanks for your input,  but as you can see above i followed the correct protocol in place at the time.

You can keep playing games with words and meanings,  but the intent is clear.



No you did not. Self exclusion is not same as casino exclusion. We do not have policy for casino exclusion that was only option for our sportsbook players that wanted to clear the clutter with casino and games and only be able to play on sportsbook because that is what they came for on stake.

You clearly stated you do not want your account banned.



Stake has stated they were aware of my gambling issues,  encouraged me not to gamble,   but did nothing   because "I wouldnt have liked it"

I request permanent self casino exclusions after Stake is aware of my issues

Stake removes it with one casual TG message

Admits poor judgement

Keeps all funds.



Have I got your position correct ? 
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 17:48:20 UTC
What is the purpose of offering a permanent self casino exclusion if it will not be honored or treated seriously ?


Is it just a charade ?   I cant believe you are really arguing this.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 17:42:48 UTC
The thing is that he did not ask for self exclusion. He did not follow self exclusion policy. If he did he would be permanently banned and would never had a chance to be unbanned.

What he did with his vip host asking for casino ban then asking to remove it etc was all unofficial and without any policy being followed. It was just good will on his vip host to help him out and fulfill his request for casino exclusion.

Also user had multiple accounts so even if he excluded 1 of his accounts by the policy he would continue to gamble on his other accounts or create new ones.

We are very responsible when it comes to gambling and being aware of the dangers of it. But unfortunately the simple fact is that casinos can only do so much to help you. If you want to continue gambling there is nothing any casino can do to rly stop you.

There are tons of crypto, fiat and real casinos where you can continue gambling even if one casino could find a way to stop you for good.

So please be responsible and if you notice you have problem with gambling seek for professional who will help you fight your addiction.



https://prnt.sc/znicwi

https://prnt.sc/znig7r


Thanks for your input,  but as you can see above i followed the correct protocol in place at the time.

You can keep playing games with words and meanings,  but the intent is clear.

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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 15:14:14 UTC
Consider: if Stake does return any amount, you have just carved out a new niche for people to exploit. What a lovely precedent! Think about it, too, as it's a conflict of interest for the casino - of course they would want you to revoke the self-exclusion - easy 'free bets'.

It's an unfortunate situation but I simply do not see any reasonable way you will get your money back.


There have been quite some instances where books have returned the funds, thats why NO reputable book will overturn a permanent self exclusion


Thats the thing.  Stake is attempting to say a permanent self casino ban is different, and they have no obligation to honor it.   


What a thing to argue.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 14:56:17 UTC
We do not differentiate sports betting & casino betting as different forms of gambling. If you have a problem then both should be avoided.
Why are you saying the complete opposite now that I have raised a complaint ?  

Greetings,   I am considering moving my action to Stake,  but at times i struggle with self control in the casino.  

 If I ask for a permanent ban in the casino and to only bet on sports
#1 Will that ban be granted?
#2 Is there any condition that it would be removed once granted?
#3 Hypothetically, if for any reason it was removed, and I lost more money in casino, what would happen?

Ty for your time

1. Yes, you can self exclude on the casino but still bet on sports. Support can help you do this, there are a fair few sports bettors that have done this.
2. It will not be removed if process is followed correctly and a permanent restriction is requested.
3. It really depends on the circumstance but our strict policy is not to remove self-exclusion. Has this happened for you elsewhere?

https://prnt.sc/znino6

You were upset that I contacted you anonymously and asked,   but it seems I had good reason to.   
Maybe someone can volunteer and determine who is lying. dancpats, are you willing to let any neutral and known or trusted member from this community to look into your private messages and verify your claim? Do you also have proof that Stake have prior knowledge of your multi-accounts?



Yes i will,  and Yes I can

Although,  I dont think Stake/Stunna is denying it,  hes just mad that I asked him anonymously


the multiple account thing is pretty irrelevant,   they werent used to evade a ban,  and if they were I would have no claim.    It's also their own policy to ban known linked accounts.


If Stake wants to dispute this, Ill post the private telegram messages, proving otherwise,  altho I dont see this as a relevant issue
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 14:51:57 UTC
It's hard to judge on the internet, but if you really have a gambling problem, find professional help. A casino can do a lot, they can exclude you, ban you, but you'll always find a way to get back in, which you've done with different accounts according to Stunna. And if you can't, you'll just find yourself another place to gamble.



Here is a website for professional help:

Gambling Therapy – https://www.gamblingtherapy.org



Did not use different accounts to evade a permanent self ban.



Multiple accounts existed which were being used for affiliate purposes at owners request



Also,  according to their own policy,   at time of self ban request,  any known linked accounts will also be excluded.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 14:27:04 UTC
The best way to solve is to come to an agreement, where the user will get at least something from his deposits back.
If Stake.com is refusing, you should contact the master license holder. If they are not responding, write the gambling commission in Curacao.



Thats not something Im interested in pursuing.     I appreciate the insight tho.


Stake is hiding behind word play and technicalities,   and I imagine that would be successful in a legal setting.


I expected them to realize the intent,  and honor the spirit of responsible gaming,   and correct mistakes.




Shout out to the user who coined "spirit of resonsible gaming"    I keep using it.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 14:21:02 UTC



You raise some fair points, the crux of all of this is that we need to make improvements to our exclusion system and make it simple and straightforward. The only aspect of this I did not appreciate is the way you handled the actual complaint process where you apparently deleted your record of telegram messages and then sent me anonymous messages trying to pre-meditate this claim. Otherwise it would have been handled more amicably from my side. I will personally see that changes are made and update you on my progress.



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So,  you decided not to help or be reasonable,   because I wanted to get an unbiased answer to my questions?  



You say I pre-meditated this complaint.


I was thoughtful,  and wanted to make sure I had a valid claim,  while i agonized over whether or not to pursue it because I knew the  potential consequences



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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 14:11:26 UTC
We do not differentiate sports betting & casino betting as different forms of gambling. If you have a problem then both should be avoided.





Why are you saying the complete opposite now that I have raised a complaint ?  


Greetings,   I am considering moving my action to Stake,  but at times i struggle with self control in the casino. 

 If I ask for a permanent ban in the casino and to only bet on sports
#1 Will that ban be granted?
#2 Is there any condition that it would be removed once granted?
#3 Hypothetically, if for any reason it was removed, and I lost more money in casino, what would happen?

Ty for your time


1. Yes, you can self exclude on the casino but still bet on sports. Support can help you do this, there are a fair few sports bettors that have done this.

2. It will not be removed if process is followed correctly and a permanent restriction is requested.

3. It really depends on the circumstance but our strict policy is not to remove self-exclusion. Has this happened for you elsewhere?



https://prnt.sc/znino6
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 08:52:06 UTC

Also I've identified that you had been using multiple accounts on casino the entire time even recently so I do not see how even if we had done this readily if it would have been preventative enough.


Can’t sleep. 

This is incredibly disappointing that you are making statements like this. 

The owner knew I had multiple accounts from long before my casino exclusion request

I made them before I fully understood clients seeds and provably fair.   I used to think one account would be luckier than another. 

Those accounts were dormant and fully known by the owner when he asked me to use them for affiliate payments and another for a different type of credit separate from my main account because he said it made accounting and book keeping easier.

And now you want to try to paint it like I was being deceptive or the accounts were unknown ?


Had I used another account to evade the ban I would have no claim.  But that’s not what happened. 

I honestly can’t believe I’m dealing with this from Stake.  Literally the last casino I’d ever expect this from. 



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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 07:03:19 UTC
My last comment for the night


It’s really disappointing to be treated this way.  

I am probably in the top 5~10 in total $ wagered on stake

Also probably top 5~10 affiliate earner.  

And just utterly dismissed even tho my claim is legit and valid.


That hurts.  


They rather play word games and look for loopholes instead of honoring the intent and spirit of responsible gaming.  


In the end I’m powerless.  But I honestly expected way more from stake and the people behind it.
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 07:02:07 UTC
I tried for over a week to have a discussion with the owner in private  He muted me and told me to only contact by email.  He had no interest in hearing my position. 
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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 06:46:35 UTC
Your self exclusion policy you keep pointing to has been updated multiple times since my initial request. 

I did not create the self casino ban option.  It existed.   On your site.  And I asked for a permanent one.




I think the facts are clear. 


Stakes official position is we made mistakes and poor judgement and will be keeping all funds. 


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Re: My 13.02 BTC and 157 ETH complaint against Stake.com
by
dancpats
on 17/02/2021, 06:22:37 UTC


There's undisputable facts here

I requested a permanent self casino ban through the proper protocol and it was removed,  twice.


I lost an obscene amount of money after those events


You've admitted mistakes and poor judgement.


Why was I dismissed so quickly when I brought this complaint?


Why has there been zero discussion about an agreement on the casino losses?