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Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Of course they have a responsability there.
BUT BIG CHANGE TODAY, i finally got credited, Bitpanda did the job and refunded me after a week. THAT'S A HUGE GREEN FLAG for them.
GGWP Bitpanda !
BUT BIG CHANGE TODAY, i finally got credited, Bitpanda did the job and refunded me after a week. THAT'S A HUGE GREEN FLAG for them.
GGWP Bitpanda !
Good thing you finally got the refund you deserved it.. Now you can enjoy your funds.
Since the issue is already resolved, it’s better to lock this thread to avoid any kind of spam.
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Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Bitpanda doesn't have any responsibility, because they are obligated by AML laws to send the funds back if the transaction is suspicious.
Of course they have a responsability there.
BUT BIG CHANGE TODAY, i finally got credited, Bitpanda did the job and refunded me after a week. THAT'S A HUGE GREEN FLAG for them.
GGWP Bitpanda !
Quote the law saying that financial institutions sending funds back because of money laundering suspicion are responsible?
This is about rejecting a deposit to a wrong address imo...
Bitpanda recognized their responsability so i guess most of the people here were right.
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
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Bitpanda doesn't have any responsibility, because they are obligated by AML laws to send the funds back if the transaction is suspicious.
Of course they have a responsability there.
BUT BIG CHANGE TODAY, i finally got credited, Bitpanda did the job and refunded me after a week. THAT'S A HUGE GREEN FLAG for them.
GGWP Bitpanda !
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
But even this was a "deposit address", now the funds have been credited to the new player? 
? I am asking because I have serious doubts this has been really done... ~
Why are you doubting about this? I believe you know it very well that a deposit gets credited to the account of the users in a casino when it receives the required number of confirmations. 40 LTC isn't a big deal for Stake, and they always credit such small deposits and process withdrawals instantly (if the required wagering is completed). ? I am asking because I have serious doubts this has been really done... ~I think you haven't observed the address yet in which Bitpanda team sent the refund. There were already some incoming transactions on that address when the 40 LTC transaction had come from Bitpanda. It means the user was playing at Stake when the deposit reflected in his account. The user has either lost or withdrawn the funds which he received for Bitpanda mistake. This is why Stake isn't liable here to pay the 40 LTC to OP. I hope you understood the main point here.
TBH, i monitored the wallet, and even if i don't have any proof, i have some reasons to think that this adress isn't a player one.
But i don't want to spread any FUD here, i'll wait for some conclusions (i'm doing some analysis atm).
Also, no answer from Bitpanda today...
Have a nice day guys, i'll keep this post updated
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Unfortunately, you have sent the funds to an address that belongs to another account, therefore we are simply not able to recover them.
This is what I had said in my previous post. You should request them to tell you the username of that user at least. Try to find that user from their forum or twitter after that. I guess the user has already lost or withdrawn the funds which he received for this mistake of Bitpanda.mmm I would say OP that sounds like a silly excuse... because these funds have been sent to a key that is in THEIR ownership not in the ownership of another entity! Yes this jey "belong to another account" but the coins area still on a wallet/key that they own the key.
No, you are missing the key point here. It was a deposit address of another user. Therefore, the funds have been credited to the account of that user. Most probably, the user has already played with the funds and made a withdrawal or lost it. Stake isn't liable in that case. The situation is like sending funds to a wrong address.The irony is them telling me to be more careful with my transactions 😡
I sent their answer to Bitpanda support, let’s see if they fix their big mistake…
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Stake’s answer:
Hello there.
We are contacting you regarding the LTC transaction that you have submitted to be recovered.
Unfortunately, you have sent the funds to an address that belongs to another account, therefore we are simply not able to recover them.
We are, by no means, able to simply deduce the funds from other players accounts, therefore the recovery procedure is canceled and the funds are permanently lost.
Kindly try to be a bit more careful with your transactions in the future, since we can't always guarantee a successful recovery, and we have a limited number of transactions to be recovered per account.
Hello there.
We are contacting you regarding the LTC transaction that you have submitted to be recovered.
Unfortunately, you have sent the funds to an address that belongs to another account, therefore we are simply not able to recover them.
We are, by no means, able to simply deduce the funds from other players accounts, therefore the recovery procedure is canceled and the funds are permanently lost.
Kindly try to be a bit more careful with your transactions in the future, since we can't always guarantee a successful recovery, and we have a limited number of transactions to be recovered per account.
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
It is completely the responsibility of Bitpanda team here. Why did they refund the deposit to a single address when the deposit has come from multiple addresses? Did they tell you any reason for refunding the deposits? Occasionally, casinos process the withdrawal of the users from multiple other users deposited funds, not from the hot wallet address always. If I'm not wrong, then Stake has done the same thing in your case. And it is the rules of every casino that you won't get the funds by any means if you deposit to a wrong address.
100% agree.
The only thing here is that stake can resolve the issue in minutes, the only option Bitpanda have to correct their mistake is to pay me with their own funds.
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
the real question should be for bit panda = WHY they send 40 LTC to just one of the multi address?
If they want refund transaction ... besides to just not askinig info to receiver... why sent all funds to one address that has send barely 0.02 LTC!?! No sense...
Know they don't accept claims, technically they have done their part... you can just ask to stake to look into it.
Unfortunately in all exlchanges and similar sites that manages deposit these issues happens and requires a lot of effort for resolution
I am sorry for OP but even if would be not easy I don't think your funds are completely lost.
If they want refund transaction ... besides to just not askinig info to receiver... why sent all funds to one address that has send barely 0.02 LTC!?! No sense...
Know they don't accept claims, technically they have done their part... you can just ask to stake to look into it.
Unfortunately in all exlchanges and similar sites that manages deposit these issues happens and requires a lot of effort for resolution
I am sorry for OP but even if would be not easy I don't think your funds are completely lost.
That was indeed my first reaction and i asked them, they are guilty on this one, but stake actually STILL have these litecoins and on their end, they are acting like nothing happened...
I still have hope and i will not let this thing goes
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Why Bitpanda refunded, there is no fault to stake. Was there any problem, and that's why bitpenda refunded? Or they have refunded without any reason. If there is no reason for the refund then they are the responsible for the fund and you should contact with them to get the money back.
I agree, but as you can see with the Tx, they refunded because of miCa it seems, but the thing is that my money is actually sitting into Stake's hot wallet.
They know that some exchanges like Bitpanda, coinbase and binance for example make some refunds.
It's a common support thing, Stake is acting unprofessionally also.
I'm also talking with Bitpanda AND Stake support on it atm
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Update from Bitpanda after being aware that there was a thread here :
"Thank you for letting us know that the refund still hasn’t arrived and that the other platform has confirmed the funds have not reached a wallet address belonging to them.
We are currently double-checking things on our end, and we can see that the original deposit to your LTC wallet was sent from 10 different wallet addresses, totaling 40 LTC.
To help us investigate further: could you tell us why the deposit came from multiple addresses? And if the other platform does not recognize these addresses, do you know who might have sent the funds?
You can view the relevant wallet addresses here:
https://litecoinspace.org/tx/4dac32237b79d8e10a632c4639a1fb6410c6b1617989484c7bee9b1eb1384c2e
We’re here to help and will do our best to resolve this as quickly as possible!
Best regards,
The Bitpanda Team (Andy)"
Other update from Stake, they are refusing to keep the support ticket opened and are now telling me that the funds recovery team can't send me emails properly
(i receive all their bullshit spams and promotions without any issues since years) :
https://i.ibb.co/272vrngN/screen3.png
https://i.ibb.co/S7XM1xNh/screen4.png
"Thank you for letting us know that the refund still hasn’t arrived and that the other platform has confirmed the funds have not reached a wallet address belonging to them.
We are currently double-checking things on our end, and we can see that the original deposit to your LTC wallet was sent from 10 different wallet addresses, totaling 40 LTC.
To help us investigate further: could you tell us why the deposit came from multiple addresses? And if the other platform does not recognize these addresses, do you know who might have sent the funds?
You can view the relevant wallet addresses here:
https://litecoinspace.org/tx/4dac32237b79d8e10a632c4639a1fb6410c6b1617989484c7bee9b1eb1384c2e
We’re here to help and will do our best to resolve this as quickly as possible!
Best regards,
The Bitpanda Team (Andy)"
Other update from Stake, they are refusing to keep the support ticket opened and are now telling me that the funds recovery team can't send me emails properly
(i receive all their bullshit spams and promotions without any issues since years) : https://i.ibb.co/272vrngN/screen3.png
https://i.ibb.co/S7XM1xNh/screen4.png
Re: [STAKE.COM] [BITPANDA.COM] 40 LTC Scam - Who's responsible ?
Would you mind giving more context? Right now, there is barely any information about your issue. I mean, what is it that you are showing that shows stake is unreliable in ensuring user's funds, what does betpanda have to do with this case, what does the image you shared mean, how did stake.com and betpanda scam 40LTC out of you?
Yes, i'm on it, sorry i saved the thread instead of previewing it
Hello everyone,
Here is my story, the purpose of this thread is to show that Stake is not reliable when it comes to ensuring the security of its users' funds.
First of all, i am an old stake player since
22:40 23/06/2025 : I want to try my luck on stake and make a deposit
https://imgur.com/a/kBCfkvu
Here is my story, the purpose of this thread is to show that Stake is not reliable when it comes to ensuring the security of its users' funds.
First of all, i am an old stake player since
22:40 23/06/2025 : I want to try my luck on stake and make a deposit
https://imgur.com/a/kBCfkvu
Please notice: litecoin.win is formerly known as ltcrash.com and bustacoin.com. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2782356
This will reuse the idea posted by Ryan and used for Bustabit.
This is an event to prove litecoin.win is fair.
The reference code (javascript) is as follows:
The method to create the hash chain is simply sha256:
The method to convert a game hash, mix it with the picked client seed to a litecoin.win multiplier:
The chain could be generated with code such as:
Using our chosen starting serverSeed, the hash terminating the chain is 281baeeb0f2dc9c9a0875b7362483a50dfd7e37a33a75d82ed9aed82bcb53544
This will reuse the idea posted by Ryan and used for Bustabit.
This is an event to prove litecoin.win is fair.
- Starting with a secret seed I've generated a chain of 10,000,000 SHA256 hashes. Each element is the hash of the lowercase, hexadecimal string representation of the previous hash. The hash of the chain's last element is: 281baeeb0f2dc9c9a0875b7362483a50dfd7e37a33a75d82ed9aed82bcb53544
- litecoin.win will play through that chain of hashes, in reverse order, and use the hashes to determine the crash point.
- To avoid criticism that the Server Secret used in step 1 was carefully chosen to generate lots of "bad" crash points, each hash in the chain will be salted with a client seed, which we have no control of.
The client seed will be the block hash of a Litecoin block that hasn't yet been mined: block 507084
The reference code (javascript) is as follows:
The method to create the hash chain is simply sha256:
Code:
function genGameHash(serverSeed) {
return crypto.createHash('sha256').update(serverSeed).digest('hex');
}
return crypto.createHash('sha256').update(serverSeed).digest('hex');
}
The method to convert a game hash, mix it with the picked client seed to a litecoin.win multiplier:
Code:
function crashPointFromHash(serverSeed, clientSeed) {
function divisible(hash, mod) {
// We will read in 4 hex at a time, but the first chunk might be a bit smaller
// So ABCDEFGHIJ should be chunked like AB CDEF GHIJ
var val = 0;
var o = hash.length % 4;
for (var i = o > 0 ? o - 4 : 0; i < hash.length; i += 4) {
val = ((val << 16) + parseInt(hash.substring(i, i+4), 16)) % mod;
}
return val === 0;
}
var hash = crypto.createHmac('sha256', serverSeed).update(clientSeed).digest('hex');
/* In 1 of 101 games the game crashes instantly. */
if (divisible(hash, 101))
return 0;
/* Use the most significant 52-bit from the hash
to calculate the crash point */
var h = parseInt(hash.slice(0,52/4),16);
var e = Math.pow(2,52);
return Math.floor((100 * e - h) / (e - h));
}
function divisible(hash, mod) {
// We will read in 4 hex at a time, but the first chunk might be a bit smaller
// So ABCDEFGHIJ should be chunked like AB CDEF GHIJ
var val = 0;
var o = hash.length % 4;
for (var i = o > 0 ? o - 4 : 0; i < hash.length; i += 4) {
val = ((val << 16) + parseInt(hash.substring(i, i+4), 16)) % mod;
}
return val === 0;
}
var hash = crypto.createHmac('sha256', serverSeed).update(clientSeed).digest('hex');
/* In 1 of 101 games the game crashes instantly. */
if (divisible(hash, 101))
return 0;
/* Use the most significant 52-bit from the hash
to calculate the crash point */
var h = parseInt(hash.slice(0,52/4),16);
var e = Math.pow(2,52);
return Math.floor((100 * e - h) / (e - h));
}
The chain could be generated with code such as:
Code:
var serverSecret = 'secret';
var clientSeed = '0000examplehash';
var gamesToGenerate = 1e7;
var serverSeed = serverSecret;
for (var game = gamesToGenerate; game > 0; --game) {
serverSeed = genGameHash(serverSeed);
console.log('Game ' + game + ' has a crash point of ' + (crashPointFromHash(serverSeed, clientSeed) / 100).toFixed(2) +'x', '\t\tHash: ' + serverSeed);
}
var terminatingHash = genGameHash(serverSeed);
console.log('The final hash is: ', terminatingHash);
var clientSeed = '0000examplehash';
var gamesToGenerate = 1e7;
var serverSeed = serverSecret;
for (var game = gamesToGenerate; game > 0; --game) {
serverSeed = genGameHash(serverSeed);
console.log('Game ' + game + ' has a crash point of ' + (crashPointFromHash(serverSeed, clientSeed) / 100).toFixed(2) +'x', '\t\tHash: ' + serverSeed);
}
var terminatingHash = genGameHash(serverSeed);
console.log('The final hash is: ', terminatingHash);
Using our chosen starting serverSeed, the hash terminating the chain is 281baeeb0f2dc9c9a0875b7362483a50dfd7e37a33a75d82ed9aed82bcb53544
Nice !
Any reason the website is down?
Website is currently up -> Bustacoin.com