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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 02/07/2025, 09:23:01 UTC
Hi ,
For the previous accounts they locked them before a long time and blocked me also on telegram because they noticed that first account actually reopened after I requested it
They also blocked the third account today

The only thing that I can find is the email I received on the second account when blocked .
The other is to post the TX hashes of all the transactions made to betpanda before and after the account are opened 
For the moment I am posting the email I found from the second account

https://i.postimg.cc/7L5kXWnb/IMG-9525.jpg
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 02/07/2025, 08:16:22 UTC
Hi to everyone ,
Since 1 year before I was gambling but not a lot money .
The last months I was totally addicted to gambling and lost all of my money on Betpanda and also money that wasn’t mine .
I have created also 3 accounts on Betpanda because I was requesting a self excluding and after some period I was creating a new account and started playing again normally .
Betpanda should normally not allowing me to play again as I am the same user (must had more security features to not allow me as I was self excluded due to gambling addiction )

The last month I have lost 45K from money that doesn’t belong to me and I must repay them.
I don’t really know what to do ?
The ideal will from Betpanda to give me all my money on the last account back as they don’t even have limits and other such stuff for addicted users. (But I am sure that this will not gonna happen as this is exactly that they want , addicted users playing more and more and keep loosing )

Im not sure that Betpanda will give you your money back because, as I understand it, you created an alt-account which was not self excluded and you continued playing with that account. Had you won money, could they demand it back? Probably not. So people could abuse the self-exclusion, if the system worked like that.

Sorry for your loss, but at least its 45k and not 450k. It might take a long time, but you can pay it back. Staying away from gambling from now on would be wise, because it seems you have developed a gambling addiction.

And it is in poor taste to ask the community to help you pay your debts back.
Maybe this whole topic is a scheme for you to scam Bitcointalk users
 Huh.
The 45k it’s too much money for me to repay them .. I am away from gambling for now

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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 02/07/2025, 07:35:57 UTC
Thank you all for your responses and for encourage me !
My friend created a campaign on Stopfund to help me raise some money.
If anyone want to help can contribute on the following link  .

http://spot.fund/HelpJacobPayGamblingDues
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 17:00:29 UTC
Many users posted sympathetic words because they could've suffered like you. Your story's made ppl think about how they shouldn't fall in the same gambling hole chasing losses. You said the banks weren't giving you a loan so how are you repaying the debts ?


Yes it was a sad story .we are still repaying the debts with my stupidity added one more debt
I don’t really know how to repay them .i just can’t pay the debts . I already told it to a friend but is unable to help at all . He suggested me to try to fundraise some but I don’t think that this will be a good idea as no one will willing to help someone to pay gambling debts
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 15:14:08 UTC
When your father died with $200k debts it must've caused stress for your family. You should've understood how important money is to ppl that's why it's sad story you gambled it & lost. If you can't get loans from banks you'll have to tell the ppl you've stolen from. Tell them the truth because many ppl can forgive.


Thank you for your wishes !
I will definitely don’t gamble again as only worst can become .
The only thing I have in mind is how to repay this huge amount , but truly I can’t figure out a way to do it .i can’t even get a loan from the bank to repay this amount (as my father while died left the family with 200k in debts to banks )
Yes it was a sad story .we are still repaying the debts with my stupidity added one more debt
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 15:05:44 UTC
Hi to everyone ,
Since 1 year before I was gambling but not a lot money .
The last months I was totally addicted to gambling and lost all of my money on Betpanda and also money that wasn’t mine .
I have created also 3 accounts on Betpanda because I was requesting a self excluding and after some period I was creating a new account and started playing again normally .
Betpanda should normally not allowing me to play again as I am the same user (must had more security features to not allow me as I was self excluded due to gambling addiction )

The last month I have lost 45K from money that doesn’t belong to me and I must repay them.
I don’t really know what to do ?
The ideal will from Betpanda to give me all my money on the last account back as they don’t even have limits and other such stuff for addicted users. (But I am sure that this will not gonna happen as this is exactly that they want , addicted users playing more and more and keep loosing )


I don't see the point of this is if you are the problem, after self excluding yourself you Still went on to create new accounts. This is a sign of discipline and indecisiveness. This isnt the companies fault although I don't know how you opened multiple accounts without them detecting unless you used different bank details and personal informations to run the KYC process. You need to learn how to control yourself
I have used exactly the same details and same crypto wallets . Nothing changed
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 14:58:41 UTC
Sorry to hear what you have just experienced but I dont think Betpanda should give your money back because you did it intentionally as you are aware that you are having gambling problem that you cant control.
Do not blame the casino because they did not block your new account, even if they did it earlier, I do believe that you'll try to find other way to have new account or maybe to use the fund in other casino because you are addicted.
There is nothing you can do now except accept the fact and try to find a way to pay your debt, I know it is hard but you are responsible for what you do.
Also, try to get a professional help for your addiction.
I am not trying to blame BetPanda .Although it doesn’t have any player security settings and I know that can block me already from creating new accounts as I was using same deposit/withdrawal wallets .
Also, I wouldn’t play on an other casino because I was actually chasing to get back the losses on the last account . I was playing actually only one game because I thought that after a lot of
Thousands spins will pay back
Other casinos like shuffle, stake (I am self excluded there) has limits , wagering limits …they have actually settings to protect an addicted player while BetPanda doesn’t (doesn’t care actually )
What I am trying is to get at least one part of these losses as the amount is huge and it will take more than 4 years to repay it
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 14:31:39 UTC
You must be joking. I don't quite understand how the gambling site owes you money.

Or did you gamble with someone else's money and lose and now you want the money you lost from Betpanda?
The other thing is, if you know you are addicted, go and get treatment. Otherwise, when you find money, you will gamble again and experience other victimizations.

I never told that BetPanda owes me money .
I will definitely get a treatment as I needed
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 12:40:31 UTC
You've accepted it's your fault so now you'll have to forget what happened. It's better if you're thinking how to give back $45k to ppl who've trusted you to keep their money safe. I hope you won't gamble again in your life & pay back $45k.

They won't pay you $45k because they won't say they're responsible. It's true they could've stopped you because they knew your ip address. If you'd won they wouldn't pay because you had many accounts so they're responsible but won't help you.

It's a sad story. You've created accounts to gamble & lost $45k which didn't belong to you. Why did you keep $45k money which belonged to other ppl ?
Yes , the fault is all mine . I shouldn’t keep these money.
I thought that with a few high spins may win some money and be able to keep them but after loosing and trying to recover the losses things go worst of-course


Thank you for your wishes !
I will definitely don’t gamble again as only worst can become .
The only thing I have in mind is how to repay this huge amount , but truly I can’t figure out a way to do it .i can’t even get a loan from the bank to repay this amount (as my father while died left the family with 200k in debts to banks )
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 12:23:17 UTC
Thank you for understating me !
I know that I must seek for help.
I will not play again !

The whole issue is how to find this huge amount of money to pay it.
With my job I will need 4 years spending nothing to be able to gather them
It's good that you did learn your lesson, and it's good that we who shared our opinion here at least helped you at least a little bit and let you realize your mistakes.

As for how will you pay that debt, if you can find another income source where that will help you make more money then you will be able to pay that debt within a shorter amount of time. I would suggest that you tell the whole story to that person who let you borrow $45,000. Take all of the bad words that he will be saying because you deserves it, but in the end, you will be paying that debt. Spend your precious time working to pay that.

Seeking for help might be helpful, but if you can't find another income source, that will help you a little. It's good that you are thinking of not playing again. Like what I'm saying, there's nothing wrong with gambling as long as you're responsible. You aren't and these are the consequences. I hope that you're okay now OP, and plan on what you will do to pay those debt.
I definitely agree with you .
He will become very mad after telling him the whole story and may hit me or pay others to do it .
The sure thing is that I did my lesson but with a very bad way
I prefer to have did my lesson with my money and not with someone else’s money
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 12:11:44 UTC
So this is how gambling addicts behave.

You already excluded your account from the said online casino, and yet you still made a new one just so you can play again. Does BetPanda have KYC before you deposit or start to play? If they do, then they shouldn't have been letting you go back again if you are using the same identification as your KYC confirmation.
But if you are using another person's information just so you can play back, then this is all your fault. Or, if they don't have any KYC on initial bets and deposits.
They don’t have KYC . Also I don’t use any other person’s account ..
Also the deposits and withdrawals alls made to the same wallet addresses like I had before
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 12:04:55 UTC
Hi to everyone ,
Since 1 year before I was gambling but not a lot money .
The last months I was totally addicted to gambling and lost all of my money on Betpanda and also money that wasn’t mine
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The last month I have lost 45K from money that doesn’t belong to me and I must repay them.
I don’t really know what to do ?
The ideal will from Betpanda to give me all my money on the last account back as they don’t even have limits and other such stuff for addicted users. (But I am sure that this will not gonna happen as this is exactly that they want , addicted users playing more and more and keep loosing )
ADDICTION IS A CHOICE. You chose to gamble because you're addicted to it. I don't think that it's Betpanda's fault to let you create multiple accounts because like what others said, there might be some changes to you like the IP address or something.

 Cry

addiction is a disease

Is addiction a disease?
Yes, addiction is a disease — it’s a chronic condition. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) defines addiction as a chronic brain disorder. Addiction doesn’t happen from having a lack of willpower or as a result of making bad decisions. Your brain chemistry changes with addiction.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/6407-addiction

Anyone who has ever had a relative addicted to something knows very well that addiction is a very complicated disease, that you need to be very patient with the addicted person because they can commit suicide if they are criticized and put under pressure. If OP is really addicted, then he needs medical help and not criticism that will only make him feel bad. The casino is not to blame for anything.



@srddev don't waste time on the internet exposing your problem, if you really want to be cured, seek medical help in real life and then try to solve your financial problems in real life.
Thank you for understating me !
I know that I must seek for help.
I will not play again !

The whole issue is how to find this huge amount of money to pay it.
With my job I will need 4 years spending nothing to be able to gather them
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 11:57:26 UTC
The best way to stop gamble is to take a short course in coding to understand that any bet may be cheated even by "provably fair" casinos if you start winning "too much" or "too often". No any psychiatrist needed  Grin
I wish I would able to be that easy .
I wish to never gambled not my own money
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 11:26:22 UTC
Thank your for trying to encourage me !
I am trying to not gamble again but when thinking of the debt I have created I don’t really know what to do ..
It cannot paid from my salary at all
One month of my stupidity can cause the destroy of my whole life

What you need to do is get into the hands of a psychologist or psychiatrist specialising in addictions. Today.  Also tell people close to you what has happened to you, making it public will make it much more difficult for you to relapse.

Hint: What you say about “trying” not to relapse is a bad mentality.

You've screwed up, big time. You have to take responsibility and make this a before and after in your life but for that you have to put yourself in the hands of professionals, tell people close to you (an anonymous forum on the internet is not enough) and make up your mind that you can never gamble a single penny again.

Thank you for the support !
Yes I understand that normally talk to my nearest persons but if do it , nobody will understand . They will keep accusing me that I lost all of these money
I will not relapse again !
I want only pay back the debt and focus on my work to avoid this happening again
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:59:53 UTC
What are you on about? You asked to be self-exluded, Betpanda complied and restricted your account, but you then proceeded to create multiple alt accounts, but instead, you're blaming the casino. It seems that you simply need to blame others for your lack of self-control and not take responsibility for your actions. Just because you self-excluded the first account doesn't mean that any casino, not just Betpanda, has to start an investigation to find your alt accounts because YOU lost control.

Betpanda doesn't owe you anything, and before anyone else mentions it, it has nothing to do with me being in their signature campaign. This user is simply speaking nonsense because he's now desperate for the money he lost.
Yes , I gambled and I totally lost control . But I am mentioning also they betpanda must had already some
Mechanism to block duplicate accounts , through browser , IPs , unique identifiers. There are multiple
Ways to detect it (if you want of course ) . But also there are no gambling limits on Betpanda.(you cannot set your limits to stay safe )
Even if betpanda integrate an option to set limits on your gambling time, they still not responsible for a players lack of self control, even if you set limits on betpanda accounts, you are not even safe because the urge to keep playing when the limit expires is still there. You are just looking for something to blame and nothing can actually support you man.

Get up and pick up yourself, work on yourself to not be too attached to gambling and try every possible stuffs to win your addictive behavior.
Thank your for trying to encourage me !
I am trying to not gamble again but when thinking of the debt I have created I don’t really know what to do ..
It cannot paid from my salary at all
One month of my stupidity can cause the destroy of my whole life
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:51:27 UTC
Going through the first page at least and seeing the same reply, I couldn't have agreed less with those comments there since betpanda is a no-kyc casino, so they cannot easily verify your identity in order to restrict OP from gambling in other account. and OP messed really up with his gambling addiction stupidity and loosing funds that are not his is the height of his indiscipline. I have another question, if he had used the same device and won a very good amount, would betpanda have released the money to him considering the fact that he is the same person? which they must have observed through his IP address. If he was using the same device, there's no way betpanda can convince me they don't know it's the same person because they surely keep logs of IP addresses.
I believe also that they probably aware that I am the same user but I was profitable from them. I hope that now that already knows will be able to help somehow …
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:42:16 UTC
It is really funny how you are trying to shift the blame to BetPanda for the funds you intentionally gambled and lost. I believe nobody will buy that, and I would never say that BetPanda owes you anything. You know that BetPanda, as a gambling company, doesn't owe anything because they didn’t force you to gamble. You registered the account yourself and started gambling.

So, what I want to tell you is don't try to shift the blame to BetPanda just to calm yourself. Blame yourself for what has happened that is the only way I think you can control yourself. If you keep trying to shift blame to someone or something whenever you’re wrong, you’ll continue repeating that behavior.

It’s true that you admitted to being a gambling addict, so believe that you caused all of this yourself, not BetPanda. In fact, even if someone pities you and helps you with some funds, I believe you would still go ahead and gamble because you’re already addicted. You may even think the reason for your losses is BetPanda, and you could end up registering with another betting company.
I can’t say that you are wrong !
You are right . I blame myself for the whole situation because I caused it and not Betpanda .
I was irresponsible and without limits and gambled money I didn’t have
I am afraid of loosing my life because I don’t have money to repay the debts
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:20:50 UTC

Of course you can gamble without falling a victim, what to do is that; You must allocate a specific amount to gamble, not less than 1-10 percent of income (it could be daily, weekly or monthly), choose how many hours to spend online.
OP must have forget about it already. He admitted he was addicted to gambling and even placed himself under self-exclusion, meaning the casino was supposed to block him from playing. But he still found a way to bypass the restriction, and now that he’s in debt, he’s trying to put the blame on Betpanda.
Yes I read all those part and that was why I said he is not discipline enough to control himself, and I wonder while the betpanda site didn't found a connected account or using their IP tracker to track if he has connected accounts, most of the gambling site do track people to know if they had other accounts but I guess it was because of he has never made a strong winning to withdraw his money that is where you would start seeing drama of how he has multiple accounts. Like seriously I don't actually like this part because when losing and they are profiting they wouldn't find any fault but if you are winning and they are losing you would see casino digging out everything and how you made mistake by violating their terms and regulation.
I have also started a chat before days and by mistake I gave the blocked email address and they informed me about this account is closed and gave them the active email address after that and it was ok .. they didn’t blocked me of course because I was a looser on all these self excluded accounts . I was profitable for them , so no problem at all
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:09:57 UTC

Of course you can gamble without falling a victim, what to do is that; You must allocate a specific amount to gamble, not less than 1-10 percent of income (it could be daily, weekly or monthly), choose how many hours to spend online.
OP must have forget about it already. He admitted he was addicted to gambling and even placed himself under self-exclusion, meaning the casino was supposed to block him from playing. But he still found a way to bypass the restriction, and now that he’s in debt, he’s trying to put the blame on Betpanda.

I am not trying to blame Betpanda.
The whole fault is mine .
But Betpanda operated from humans .
And they will probably be able to understand the whole situation caused from my addiction and may be able to help me recover some money that I lost (yes I know , I didn’t set limits to myself and i played totally irresponsible )
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Re: 45K in debt due to Gambling on Betpanda
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srddev
on 01/07/2025, 10:01:16 UTC
They won't pay you $45k because they won't say they're responsible. It's true they could've stopped you because they knew your ip address. If you'd won they wouldn't pay because you had many accounts so they're responsible but won't help you.

It's a sad story. You've created accounts to gamble & lost $45k which didn't belong to you. Why did you keep $45k money which belonged to other ppl ?
Yes , the fault is all mine . I shouldn’t keep these money.
I thought that with a few high spins may win some money and be able to keep them but after loosing and trying to recover the losses things go worst of-course